Practice with Purpose Part 1

[lfigueroa]

Thanks for the great article Bill.

I have never played bank pool. But after reading your article, banks will be incorporated into my training regiment as will straight pool.

The admistrator should make this thread a sticky. It would be a nice place for newbie one pocket players to start.

Waiting for part 2

John
St. Louis

John
St. Louis

Who is you?

Lou Figueroa
St. Louis

 

[lfigueroa]

_________________________________________________________



This is an example of what killed alt.sport.pool and rec.sport.billiard.

Whenever anyone, like Bill Stroud, had the courtesy and courage to post heartfelt suggestions intended to promote the enjoyment of pool among others, some disgruntled individual would awaken to leap up and post an
objecting ( and objectionable) response. The response invariably
presented no practical alternatives to the suggestions; intead, it
presented only name-calling, name-calling and more name-calling.

With the passage of time, no one dared to say anything for fear of
arousing a hate-filled attack with offensive characteriizations
and communiation died.

That was not what killed RSB. FL and his multiple personalities AND the troupe of clowns that went after him killed RSB. The heat and general mayhem were the good parts

Lou Figueroa

 

[bstroud]

I would like hear your thoughts on the balance between practicing and playing. In my experience I have found that you can practice too much and that you need to have some parity between "live fire" experience and the firing range. What are your thoughts?

Lou Figueroa

Lou,

I really agree that Straight Pool should be first on the list to practice for one pocket. I think it is the foundation of all pocket games. The reason I choose to put Bank Pool first was because so many people never play it and from person experience I know that confident banking will win a lot of one pocket games.

As far as the balance between playing and practice I can tell you this.
When I was hustling pool,when I wasn't playing, I practiced every minute I was in the pool room. I like to play. I cannot stand to sit around the room and do anything else but play or practice.

I was not in the pool room for my health. I was not there to win friends and influence people.I was there to win and make money. I treated it just like a job. Everything I did was for that one objective.

Having said that, there were times when I felt that I had over practiced. That somehow so much practice had taken the edge off. That's when I would go to a movie or the mountains or on a date.

The minute I returned to the pool room, it was back to work.

Bill Stroud

 

[Ken_4fun]

Hey Bill, I've been playing pool since 1963. But never considered practicing banks. By that I mean putting 9 balls on the table and trying to bank them all in.

Been playing one pocket for approx. 20 years. I really like the game. Had the pleasure of watching Billy I. and Louie Roberts play one pocket at the Sports Center in St. Louis a lonnnng time ago.

Started practicing bank pool yesterday and also that game where you place 9 balls on the table and carom the OB off the cue ball into a pocket.

I agree with you. I would never suggest that a person learn to play bank pool until he/she learns how to pocket balls. Sorry if it sounded that way.

John
St. Louis

How good was Louie at one pocket? I thought he was a nineball specialist.

Ken

 

[stljohnny]

What's Going On Here?

What's Going On Here?

In Artie's reply to Lenny's post he said what it took to be a good one pocket player... being able to make balls, being able to bank balls, get position, etc.

How is this any different than what Bill said at beginning of this thread? So he had the order different; who cares? The assumption isn't that a new player that's never held a cue is trying to learn the game; seems to be the assumption is that a player who is comfortable at the table playing 8-ball or 9-ball is trying to learn the game of 1P.

Being able to make shots is one thing, but being able to run balls, go into and out of the stack is something completely different - and is a precise specialty of 14.1 players - moreso than 1P players. True, 14.1 does nothing for your banks game - however getting good at banks helps ALL games.

14.1 only helps 1P (and maybe 8-ball, but only barely).

Artie said that running balls, "shooting the right shot", is important - which is *exactly* WHY Bill suggests 14.1 as a great game to practice.

I really don't see why Artie is arguing over Bill's posts, since it seems to me he agrees with everything that's being said; only using different (and often misspelled) words.

Is there some sort of scarred battle-history between these two I'm not aware of?

 

[Artie Bodendorfer]

I would like hear your thoughts on the balance between practicing and playing. In my experience I have found that you can practice too much and that you need to have some parity between "live fire" experience and the firing range. What are your thoughts?

Lou Figueroa

Lou,

I really agree that Straight Pool should be first on the list to practice for one pocket. I think it is the foundation of all pocket games. The reason I choose to put Bank Pool first was because so many people never play it and from person experience I know that confident banking will win a lot of one pocket games.

As far as the balance between playing and practice I can tell you this.
When I was hustling pool,when I wasn't playing, I practiced every minute I was in the pool room. I like to play. I cannot stand to sit around the room and do anything else but play or practice.

I was not in the pool room for my health. I was not there to win friends and influence people.I was there to win and make money. I treated it just like a job. Everything I did was for that one objective.

Having said that, there were times when I felt that I had over practiced. That somehow so much practice had taken the edge off. That's when I would go to a movie or the mountains or on a date.

The minute I returned to the pool room, it was back to work.

Bill Stroud

Thier is no such thing.as practicing too much. You practice tell you learn everyting you need to no and lear. Practice is the back bonne and foundation off your work.

Like a buissness you get what you put into it. Lot off fighters got beat because the didnt practice enough gitting in shap and what they had too do too win.

In pool thr more you practice the better shape you will be in . It sharpans you up for battle. And if you are not your sharpest. Then you aill be weaker and not prepared.

Thats what hapines too a lot off pool player. The come too play put yhier out off stroke and pysical and mentaly the ars not strong.

Because they didnt practice or practice to be sharo in every department off the game. Even youre stroke and position your timing your shot selection.

Every part off the game will not be sharp. And hwo would you rather play a champion that practices a little bit? Or thr same champion that is reay ready and prepared too play. And will be sharp in every part off his game.

And especialy a shooter if he is not in stroke it will real show and affect him.
If you have things you need to learn that will sharpens your game. And you practice and learn from your last game . Why you lost and even if you one the shots you mist you need to learn.

So next time if you play a better player and you now have learned to execute the shots that you mist last player you played will make you stronger and sharper and more confedece. Witch comes from executing And when you practice you can keep shooting the same shot over and over tell you learn it.

Practice is so inportant you dont see it because you would have never made your statment. Practice realy teaches how too play and perform.

Practice is aboyt learning and sharpining up your game. Practice prepair you for your game. Weather its gambling or a tousnement.

Practice is the biggest and most important part off pool. You learn and can figure out different ways too make your game better. In a game you cannot do that.

Because in a game you only get one chance. And your practice session is all over with. tell your next practice. But during a game your focus should be on one thing too win.

Whatever you do in a game should be done to win the game. And all your focus should be on the game. And if you are ready and preparid you will be ok.

In a game you only get one shot at a time or what move or getting your position. Practice you get lots off shots at the same shot tell you learn it.

The greatest players practicet as much as they could and everchance they had. Practice also teaches you different shots and Ideas that you can try.

In a game you are limited too what you can do. But not in practice. And in practice missing or not getting position or shooting the wrong shot or make a mistake. You can correct that bit not in a game. Because you only get one chance.

THe besy answer that I have learned is mistakes loose more games then anything else. And that is in all sports. Just one mistake it cost a player or a team the whole game

When we begin playing pool we learn by practicing. Hitting millions off balls and shots and position and combinations and kiss shots and you can go on for ever.

WE would even practice playing another person split time.Or a sociable game just too learn more and we even would shoot shots to practice too see if we could make them . Because we were not playing for anything. And it realy was a practice game.

To improve your game and make you a better player. Thier is no such thing as over practicing. You mite be too tierd or too lacy. Or you just dont feel like playing and practicing.

When that happines I sugjest you do not play and practice. Because you are realy not practicing and your mind is not on the game. I advice you strongly not too practice if thats how you feel.

You can pick up bad habits you are just going through the motions dont train yourself too just shoot without any effort or desire behind it. Just going through the motions does not help your game. It hurts you mentaly. And weakens you more.

Even though you may think its only practice. You still need yo be focuset and putting in energy and effort too learn. You practice to lear and sharpen up every part off the game.

Practice takes effort and lacy people wont do that. And a lot off people dont reach thier real potential because off that.

Putting in strong effort and concentration will make your practice more powerfull and stronger. And your practices will be more enjoyable.

Because you have a pourpose and that will give you strength and desire.

Without pourpose you have nothing. Thats why gamblying and tournemets players but in more effort and desire because thier is a pourpose and reason whu they want too win.

They money or the tournement. Thier is nothing stronger then having a reason to win. And that is your pourpose. And you see it with some players more then others.

And some players even get a killer instincte from it. I feel and think that every living human should think about thier life. AND WHAT IS YOUR PURPOSE IN LIFE.

Having goals is part off a pourpose and without that we have nothing. WE will be empty inside. Poupose gives us meaning and showes who we are,

But the more and longer you practice. THey more you will learn and the sharper your stroke and every part off your game will inprove. And practicing also will prepare you for longer sessions because you have gone through it practicing long sessions.

Practice isa traning program too make yiou a better player. Thats why we practice. And prepair youself when you startb practining . You are not thier because its wok. You are thier too learn and improve your skills and knowledge to be the best that you can be.

THats why you need to give it all you can nothing is free. And you herd the saying practice makes perfect

WEll that is not true either because we will never be perfect at anything. But we will be better. And i have always said it do not go for perfection but Strive for EXELLENCE.

I gave the reasons Why thier is no such thing as oover practicing. Because thier is always something to learn and sharpen up on. PRACTICE AND LEARN ALL THE THINGS YOU NEVER DID. Think about all the different things you can learn and do by getting on a pool table.

And the different angles you can get by practicing setting up millions off differents shot and ways too shoot them. Every time someone breaks the balls they are always in a differeny position. THink about it and the millions off people playing. And no two racks are the same.

I gave you the reasons you should not practice too. And thier are other reasons too. It cost noney too practice if you dont have much money you will not be able to practice that long unless you can do it free or someone pays for your time.

Another time you might not be able to practice because you have too do something or go too work.

I recommed you practice as long as you can and as much as you can. And learn everything you can and learn too exicute all your shots. And strive for exellence.

WAtching great players is also realy a practice because you learn that is what practice is a learning prasses. Wright down everything you want to no and learn . And the learn it by doing it by practicing.

You inprove by practicing and learning to do things that you cannot do yet. Or you need too imptove your execution.

Were thier is a will thier is a way. Motavate yourself. Belive in yourself and your goal. The only one that can stop you from practicing or not practicing is you.

Practice can only help you so you can do what you need to learn to do or improve your skills. It does not happen by itself.

It all comes down to you do you want too do it what is your pourpose and how much time and effort are you willing too do too be the best that you can be.

Its all up to you and you will make that decision. All I did was give you what I no and have gone through this to say that this is the correct answer and way too do it.

And I have nothing against Billt S he could be the nicest person in the world. I reply too what I read and if I do not agree I give my openion. And I dont say it in the same way all the time.

And when I ask qouistions about some one and what they no. Is not too put them down or pick on them like some people think.
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[fred bentivegna]

Rsb?

Rsb?

That was not what killed RSB. FL and his multiple personalities AND the troupe of clowns that went after him killed RSB. The heat and general mayhem were the good parts

Lou Figueroa

Who is RSB? I think I figured out who FL was. He was swift, right?
At the least, PM with the name. I hate to not know that which is supposed to be obvious.

Beard

 

[One Pocket Ghost]

Who is RSB? I think I figured out who FL was. He was swift, right?
At the least, PM with the name. I hate to not know that which is supposed to be obvious.

Beard

Freddy....."RSB" is not a "who"...it is the acronym for rec.sport.billiard. - which was one of, if not the first, pool/billiard dedicated online forum/message boards, primarily spanning the time of approx. 8-13 years ago...

"FL" are the initials for the forum name 'Fast Larry' - a notorious mega-opinionated, mega-obnoxious, past member of rec.sport.billiards. - who posted 1000-word ranting/bragging posts, 10 times a day, using several different suspected alias's - he was despised by many.

- Ghost

 

[Artie Bodendorfer]

In Artie's reply to Lenny's post he said what it took to be a good one pocket player... being able to make balls, being able to bank balls, get position, etc.

How is this any different than what Bill said at beginning of this thread? So he had the order different; who cares? The assumption isn't that a new player that's never held a cue is trying to learn the game; seems to be the assumption is that a player who is comfortable at the table playing 8-ball or 9-ball is trying to learn the game of 1P.

Being able to make shots is one thing, but being able to run balls, go into and out of the stack is something completely different - and is a precise specialty of 14.1 players - moreso than 1P players. True, 14.1 does nothing for your banks game - however getting good at banks helps ALL games.

14.1 only helps 1P (and maybe 8-ball, but only barely).

Artie said that running balls, "shooting the right shot", is important - which is *exactly* WHY Bill suggests 14.1 as a great game to practice.

I really don't see why Artie is arguing over Bill's posts, since it seems to me he agrees with everything that's being said; only using different (and often misspelled) words.

Is there some sort of scarred battle-history between these two I'm not aware of?

To what you are saying. Lenny is saying something completly correct and the truth. What billy said is not trur and is not what a player learning should do.

And I said straight pool was the game to play and practice. To help you play all games. And you defended Billys side witch you have the wright.

Billy said you should lear too play banks first. And I disagreed completly. To learn banks too play one pocket.

WE no everyone should learn to play banks. Everyone should learn everything they can. That is not the qouistion that you are defending by saying people should learn too play banke. WE all no that.

Its about him saying learn too play banks first to learn too play winning one pocket .

And you have to practice making balls before you play anything. And like shoot dont think dont practice too much. I dont want to go back and read it all again because.

Iwill go and tthrow up. I gues you dont see what I see that is obvious too me. You see me disagreeing with him and think I am picking on him .

Witch is not the case. I dont even no him. Its about what he wrote not the person himself. You are talking about the person not what he wrote.

I no what he wriote that is what I am replying on. And that is what I do I correct things people say about the game and what they say if it is not the truth and incorrect. THat is why I said what I said about each person. Lenny and Billy.

And if Lenny was billy it would have been said the same way. But two different people.

And if you want to ralk about what he said fine If you want too stick up for him because you think I am picking on him then thier is nothing too talk about.

But the things he said you can say why you think thier good. Or if you think his answers are correct and mein Not correct. And you can even say just excepte whayt he wright or is wonderfull.

I cant agree or let something go that I dont agree with and is going against what I have said years ago about the game and pool.

If I leave the wrong things unanswerd that someone said and I leave it alone and say nothing then everything I have said previously is for nothing too.

And if we can not separate the things that will help the game by what we say then what are we doing on her and talking about. How many ways we can do something. And just excepte what people say.

Or bring out the truth and what is good and what will help too play the game better and how to learn. What if the teachers would be teaching the wrong things to our cgildren

Are you going to let it happen or are you going to say something.

People need to no whats correct and whats not correct. And if its pointed out. both sides then the rest is up too them what they want tooo choose.

Put if it does not get exposed then how are the going to no,. And when you bring it out it is easer too see.

So its about what the person said that I am commenting on. But ask any qouistion you like. And as many qouistions as you like and I will answer them.

And my answers will be about your qouistions not anything personal. What you are seeing.

 

[Artie Bodendorfer]

Thier is no such thing.as practicing too much. You practice tell you learn everyting you need to no and lear. Practice is the back bonne and foundation off your work.

Like a buissness you get what you put into it. Lot off fighters got beat because the didnt practice enough gitting in shap and what they had too do too win.

In pool thr more you practice the better shape you will be in . It sharpans you up for battle. And if you are not your sharpest. Then you aill be weaker and not prepared.

Thats what hapines too a lot off pool player. The come too play put yhier out off stroke and pysical and mentaly the ars not strong.

Because they didnt practice or practice to be sharo in every department off the game. Even youre stroke and position your timing your shot selection.

Every part off the game will not be sharp. And hwo would you rather play a champion that practices a little bit? Or thr same champion that is reay ready and prepared too play. And will be sharp in every part off his game.

And especialy a shooter if he is not in stroke it will real show and affect him.
If you have things you need to learn that will sharpens your game. And you practice and learn from your last game . Why you lost and even if you one the shots you mist you need to learn.

So next time if you play a better player and you now have learned to execute the shots that you mist last player you played will make you stronger and sharper and more confedece. Witch comes from executing And when you practice you can keep shooting the same shot over and over tell you learn it.

Practice is so inportant you dont see it because you would have never made your statment. Practice realy teaches how too play and perform.

Practice is aboyt learning and sharpining up your game. Practice prepair you for your game. Weather its gambling or a tousnement.

Practice is the biggest and most important part off pool. You learn and can figure out different ways too make your game better. In a game you cannot do that.

Because in a game you only get one chance. And your practice session is all over with. tell your next practice. But during a game your focus should be on one thing too win.

Whatever you do in a game should be done to win the game. And all your focus should be on the game. And if you are ready and preparid you will be ok.

In a game you only get one shot at a time or what move or getting your position. Practice you get lots off shots at the same shot tell you learn it.

The greatest players practicet as much as they could and everchance they had. Practice also teaches you different shots and Ideas that you can try.

In a game you are limited too what you can do. But not in practice. And in practice missing or not getting position or shooting the wrong shot or make a mistake. You can correct that bit not in a game. Because you only get one chance.

THe besy answer that I have learned is mistakes loose more games then anything else. And that is in all sports. Just one mistake it cost a player or a team the whole game

When we begin playing pool we learn by practicing. Hitting millions off balls and shots and position and combinations and kiss shots and you can go on for ever.

WE would even practice playing another person split time.Or a sociable game just too learn more and we even would shoot shots to practice too see if we could make them . Because we were not playing for anything. And it realy was a practice game.

To improve your game and make you a better player. Thier is no such thing as over practicing. You mite be too tierd or too lacy. Or you just dont feel like playing and practicing.

When that happines I sugjest you do not play and practice. Because you are realy not practicing and your mind is not on the game. I advice you strongly not too practice if thats how you feel.

You can pick up bad habits you are just going through the motions dont train yourself too just shoot without any effort or desire behind it. Just going through the motions does not help your game. It hurts you mentaly. And weakens you more.

Even though you may think its only practice. You still need yo be focuset and putting in energy and effort too learn. You practice to lear and sharpen up every part off the game.

Practice takes effort and lacy people wont do that. And a lot off people dont reach thier real potential because off that.

Putting in strong effort and concentration will make your practice more powerfull and stronger. And your practices will be more enjoyable.

Because you have a pourpose and that will give you strength and desire.

Without pourpose you have nothing. Thats why gamblying and tournemets players but in more effort and desire because thier is a pourpose and reason whu they want too win.

They money or the tournement. Thier is nothing stronger then having a reason to win. And that is your pourpose. And you see it with some players more then others.

And some players even get a killer instincte from it. I feel and think that every living human should think about thier life. AND WHAT IS YOUR PURPOSE IN LIFE.

Having goals is part off a pourpose and without that we have nothing. WE will be empty inside. Poupose gives us meaning and showes who we are,

But the more and longer you practice. THey more you will learn and the sharper your stroke and every part off your game will inprove. And practicing also will prepare you for longer sessions because you have gone through it practicing long sessions.

Practice isa traning program too make yiou a better player. Thats why we practice. And prepair youself when you startb practining . You are not thier because its wok. You are thier too learn and improve your skills and knowledge to be the best that you can be.

THats why you need to give it all you can nothing is free. And you herd the saying practice makes perfect

WEll that is not true either because we will never be perfect at anything. But we will be better. And i have always said it do not go for perfection but Strive for EXELLENCE.

I gave the reasons Why thier is no such thing as oover practicing. Because thier is always something to learn and sharpen up on. PRACTICE AND LEARN ALL THE THINGS YOU NEVER DID. Think about all the different things you can learn and do by getting on a pool table.

And the different angles you can get by practicing setting up millions off differents shot and ways too shoot them. Every time someone breaks the balls they are always in a differeny position. THink about it and the millions off people playing. And no two racks are the same.

I gave you the reasons you should not practice too. And thier are other reasons too. It cost noney too practice if you dont have much money you will not be able to practice that long unless you can do it free or someone pays for your time.

Another time you might not be able to practice because you have too do something or go too work.

I recommed you practice as long as you can and as much as you can. And learn everything you can and learn too exicute all your shots. And strive for exellence.

WAtching great players is also realy a practice because you learn that is what practice is a learning prasses. Wright down everything you want to no and learn . And the learn it by doing it by practicing.

You inprove by practicing and learning to do things that you cannot do yet. Or you need too imptove your execution.

Were thier is a will thier is a way. Motavate yourself. Belive in yourself and your goal. The only one that can stop you from practicing or not practicing is you.

Practice can only help you so you can do what you need to learn to do or improve your skills. It does not happen by itself.

It all comes down to you do you want too do it what is your pourpose and how much time and effort are you willing too do too be the best that you can be.

Its all up to you and you will make that decision. All I did was give you what I no and have gone through this to say that this is the correct answer and way too do it.

And I have nothing against Billt S he could be the nicest person in the world. I reply too what I read and if I do not agree I give my openion. And I dont say it in the same way all the time.

And when I ask qouistions about some one and what they no. Is not too put them down or pick on them like some people think.
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There is more and I will do it latter.

 

[ulikastr8pool]

There is more and I will do it latter.

No more Please!!

 

[stljohnny]

I have no personal stake for anyone, but it just seemed that you were really quick to jump on him when, after reading your other posts, it seems you guys really are saying the same thing. It didn't make sense to me - and like I've said before, I'm still kinda new here so I didn't know if it was just "one of those things".

To clarify: You do think learning banks and straight pool is a good thing to help your 1P game - is that correct?

You do not think that someone should learn how to bank before they learn how to read the stack - is that correct?

That seems to be the nutshell of the argument, and to me (a new-ish 1P player) - neither is more or less important than the other; they are of equal importance. But, that's just my opinion, and it's likely to change as I continue to learn and grow as a player.

The one thing I will absolutely defend (because it has worked very well for me) is the idea that one should practice with purpose, set realistic and reachable goals and strive to improve them - no matter the game.

 

[lfigueroa]

I would like hear your thoughts on the balance between practicing and playing. In my experience I have found that you can practice too much and that you need to have some parity between "live fire" experience and the firing range. What are your thoughts?

Lou Figueroa

Lou,

I really agree that Straight Pool should be first on the list to practice for one pocket. I think it is the foundation of all pocket games. The reason I choose to put Bank Pool first was because so many people never play it and from person experience I know that confident banking will win a lot of one pocket games.

As far as the balance between playing and practice I can tell you this.
When I was hustling pool,when I wasn't playing, I practiced every minute I was in the pool room. I like to play. I cannot stand to sit around the room and do anything else but play or practice.

I was not in the pool room for my health. I was not there to win friends and influence people.I was there to win and make money. I treated it just like a job. Everything I did was for that one objective.

Having said that, there were times when I felt that I had over practiced. That somehow so much practice had taken the edge off. That's when I would go to a movie or the mountains or on a date.

The minute I returned to the pool room, it was back to work.

Bill Stroud

Well, yeah, I agree with you. I'm always amazed by the players that come into the pool room and just sit around. There is so much to learn.

Lou Figueroa

 

[lfigueroa]

14.1 only helps 1P (and maybe 8-ball, but only barely)

This is so wrong, I wouldn't know were to start. But trust me -- 8Ball is *all* about 14.1.

Lou Figueroa

 

[Cowboy Dennis]

This is so wrong, I wouldn't know were to start. But trust me -- 8Ball is *all* about 14.1.

Lou Figueroa

You beat me to it Lou. 14.1 is excellent for 8-ball players.

Dennis

 

[lfigueroa]

Freddy....."RSB" is not a "who"...it is the acronym for rec.sport.billiard. - which was one of, if not the first, pool/billiard dedicated online forum/message boards, primarily spanning the time of approx. 8-13 years ago...

"FL" are the initials for the forum name 'Fast Larry' - a notorious mega-opinionated, mega-obnoxious, past member of rec.sport.billiards. - who posted 1000-word ranting/bragging posts, 10 times a day, using several different suspected alias's - he was despised by many.

- Ghost

In a nutshell this is all true.

RSB was the original Wild West of Internet pool forums. No moderator to save you because you were a favored child, or rap you on the knuckles because you failed to be PC -- your ideas survived or withered on their merits.

And, for a few years it was golden, engendering many, many discussions that came to conclusions we all take for granted today. It only got out of hand (for those who couldn't take the heat) when Fast Larry came on board with his multiple identifies. I probably have *at least* 50 FL identities in my filter, usually Asian or Outfit in nature. He'd post multiple rants dozens of times day. Then the clowns came after him, thinking, no doubt, they were doing a good thing, and most of the regulars couldn't fade and keep up with who was who.

And so it died and we all migrated to moderated forums were, though we must put up with a certain amount of censorship, FL and the trolls who stalk him, are kept at bay.

Lou Figueroa

 

[lfigueroa]

You beat me to it Lou. 14.1 is excellent for 8-ball players.

Dennis

It is huge -- the perfect game to improve your 8Ball.

Lou Figueroa
has won an 8Ball State Championship
but can't save himself at 9Ball

 

[Artie Bodendorfer]

This is so wrong, I wouldn't know were to start. But trust me -- 8Ball is *all* about 14.1.

Lou Figueroa[/QUOTE

I hope everyone reads this and you will see why I go into correcting statements and shots.

Straight pool helps eight ball nineball one pocket snooker three chouishion and banks.

Rotation And because One pocket is my game. I have to give straight pool the X on learning fundementals. Straight pool players have great fundametals stances bridges.

Straight pool will teach you how to make balls and position and even paterns witch you dont need in other games as much or hardly at all.

And in straight pool you shoot more balls then in any game you play more position then any game.

You play more combinations then in any game. And a very big vactor and I am being honest it helpt me a lot playing one pocket.

THat is how to breack up balls. And howe to play position off off balls, A straight pool player that is a hundred ball runner . Can learn too play all games good because hje has the main ingredence.

Making balls and playing position. And it teaches you how to think. And you will stay in stroke shooting if you keep running balls.

 

[lfigueroa]

This is so wrong, I wouldn't know were to start. But trust me -- 8Ball is *all* about 14.1.

Lou Figueroa[/QUOTE

I hope everyone reads this and you will see why I go into correcting statements and shots.

Straight pool helps eight ball nineball one pocket snooker three chouishion and banks.

Rotation And because One pocket is my game. I have to give straight pool the X on learning fundementals. Straight pool players have great fundametals stances bridges.

Straight pool will teach you how to make balls and position and even paterns witch you dont need in other games as much or hardly at all.

And in straight pool you shoot more balls then in any game you play more position then any game.

You play more combinations then in any game. And a very big vactor and I am being honest it helpt me a lot playing one pocket.

THat is how to breack up balls. And howe to play position off off balls, A straight pool player that is a hundred ball runner . Can learn too play all games good because hje has the main ingredence.

Making balls and playing position. And it teaches you how to think. And you will stay in stroke shooting if you keep running balls.

Artie, I am the biggest 14.1 advocate in the world, and while I see what you're saying, 14.1 is most applicable to 8Ball and 1pocket. The application to the other games is a bit more tenuous. It's there, but it is far more subtle and the connection is harder to establish.

Don't get me wrong -- it is here, but IMO there are other skill sets -- at those games -- that become more the priority than 14.1.

Lou Figueroa

 

[bstroud]

Loy,

You are correct I practice a lot of Straight Pool. However, and this may seem strange, when I practice 9 ball it is mainly for my straight pool game.

Straight pool teaches you so many things, running balls, positio, combos, caroms, ticking out balls but does not teach you to shoot the hard shots.
That was why Lassiter was so interseting to watch play straight.

He shot and made the really hard shots in straight when everyone else ducked.

Crane played the best straight I ever saw but when the shots got really tough he played safe. That's why he lost to Lassiter so many times.

My theory of practice evolved from watching Lassiter. He practiced another game to practice for the game he had in mind. I has worked for me and will work for others.

Some of the most interesting straight pool I ever saw was at Beanies'.
Miz had just won another championship and was playing Beanie 53 to 37 straight. He was not winning.

Taylor is not known for straight but could play it some. He played Beanie 50 to 37 and lost the first two games. The third game he ran some balls, played position for a cross side bank for a break shot and ran out.

After that it was a romp for Taylor. He had Beanie so week he could hardly get a ball to the pocket. It's just another lesson on how you practice one game for another It was a lesson well learned.

I had a rough day today. Playing my regular customer 10 to 5 and the break, I ran a 9, a 10, 3 8's and lost in the last game in a race to 7. It was the first time in 10 years I got to play on a gold crown instead of a Diamond. Even though I lost it was a pleasure to play on such a great table.

Bill Stroud