Learning to play Bank pool question

Dennis "Whitey" Young

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Whitey, Howdy;

Ok, had to go to T or C to get a new microwave, old one crapped out last night.

While driving I do some of my (IMO), better thinking. It became clear what you
were saying when you wrote this; " What I am trying to convey
is this; set up the balls for an absolute 2-1 straight in bank, then move the cb back
slightly creating a slight back-cut. Now using center cb, hit it on angle to make it, I
think you will find that the cb will reverse coming off the rail and you will come
short of the side pocket. So therefore I am advocating using a little natural english
to make the ob travel correctly.
" I 'think' the back-cut
you are referring to is having the CB set up outside (closer to the end rail in Willie's
video), the natural 2:1 and the natural English would be what Freddy refers to as
"Acquired" English as the CB is sliding, inert, dead whatever you wish to call it.
Simply by contacting the OB at a slight angle the CB creates or induces English
to the OB and counter English to the CB the why the CB reverses off the rail.

How'm I doin???

Thanks as always to all for the thoughts and suggestions.

hank
No, set the bank up with a 'slight' back cut, but still use, in this case a tip of 'left' english. Practice these slight back cuts. The objective is to get the ob to come off the rail naturally. Whitey
 

hankh

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Whitey, Howdy;

Ok, I need to bring the CB inside the angle, got it.
I'll be trying this before today's 8-ball tourney.
Thanks for the correction.

hank
 
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hankh

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Whitey, Howdy;

Think (again), I found a way to help with the misinterpretation of your suggestion.
Here's a video from Dr. Dave, I think what you are referring to is at 1:19.
if not can you point out (if it's there), where in the video it might show up.
Thanks, here it is;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_8Mu0lIyFg

Thanks for your patience and understanding.

hank
 

Dennis "Whitey" Young

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Whitey, Howdy;

Think (again), I found a way to help with the misinterpretation of your suggestion.
Here's a video from Dr. Dave, I think what you are referring to is at 1:19.
if not can you point out (if it's there), where in the video it might show up.
Thanks, here it is;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_8Mu0lIyFg

Thanks for your patience and understanding.

hank
Go to 3:10 where it is a across corner bank where you have to cut the ob back. This is it, but only I am trying to portray this on a 'slight' angle, almost a straight bank but not quite. Absolutely no kiss involved.
I am saying this slight back cut needed to pocket the ball, can put reverse english on the ob and then it comes up short of the pocket. So try this shot and see how it works for you. If you are getting the reverse action on the ob then you need to use outside english to offset this.
I know this flies directly in the face of what should happen, but nonetheless it can happen.
So even on a slight back cut, I suggest using a tip of outside english (natural). Whitey
 

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Whitey, Howdy;

Go to 3:10 where it is a across corner bank where you have to cut the ob back. This is it, but only I am trying to portray this on a 'slight' angle, almost a straight bank but not quite. Absolutely no kiss involved.
I am saying this slight back cut needed to pocket the ball, can put reverse english on the ob and then it comes up short of the pocket. So try this shot and see how it works for you. If you are getting the reverse action on the ob then you need to use outside english to offset this.
I know this flies directly in the face of what should happen, but nonetheless it can happen.
So even on a slight back cut, I suggest using a tip of outside english (natural). Whitey
Got it.
Thanks for your patience. Been playin' pool since 1962 but never learned the "Language". What I get for just hangin' out at bar tables. :rolleyes:
I'll work this into Mondays practice session and let ya know what happens.

Thanks again.

hank
 

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Whitey & lll, Howdy;

Practice today was ... interesting. Got the normal stuff out of the way and then
started doing some of the 'twist' drill. Worked fine, moved onto the back-cut w/
natural English. Spent the better part of an hour and had a difficult time getting
consistent results so it will get extra work before tomorrow's 8-ball tourney.
Whitey I know if you were looking over my shoulder we'd have it locked-in by now.
Spent the rest of the time doing some 6-ball scatter and attempt to Bank as many
as I can. Scratch and re-start, miss ='s reset and re-do. Then finished with 3 racks
of 15 ball rotation, Banking and kicking as available. Not bad overall 3.5 hours total
time but the back-cut shot bugged me as I couldn't add it to my sheet of 'I can do
this shots". at least not yet Consistency is what was lacking, it will come.

Thanks as always for your thoughts and suggestions.

hank
 

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Whitey & lll, Howdy;

Got there early started some warm-up stuff and Tony showed up. So we played
a few games of 8-ball. Noticed that I was out of alignment again so worked on
that while playin' with Tony. Finished in the middle of the pack, meh. Did have
several occasions to bank and kick took full advantage of those. Even had a few
of the Back-cut Natural English shots show their faces, got 1, missed 2. Needs
more work. Will need some time for these lessons to take root and the muscle
memory to grab. Don't take this as an I quit, far from it, it's to much fun. Just
need to let me catch up with the new stuff.
Tomorrow is 9-ball so no Tony, and I'll get a few more hours to work on all this
before the tourney. Will let ya know how that goes.

Thanks for all the help and the knowledge.

hank
 

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hank
your enthusiasm and desire is refreshing and invigorates me to do what i can to help.....:)
keep working bro
larry
 

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lll, Howdy;

Larry I reckon it's like making a really good stew, got to allow the flavors to
marry-up in order for it to taste right. Just gonna allow what I've learned to
settle a bit then figure out whats what then grab some more.

As always, thanks for the thoughts and suggestions.

hank
 

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Howdy All;

Ever had one of those days??? ... :rolleyes:

Showed up near 12 noon for a 2:00 pm tourney, set about getting
some practice and warming up. I elected to get into 15 ball rotation
and ... well, it turned out to be something like practicing Safeties and
hooking the CB into impossible to get to the OB locations. This bled
over into the tourney, started to come back around later but ... finished
just out of the money :(
Ya just gotta chuckle when these days happen :lol, :lol.

We'll see what happens Saturday.

hank
 
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Whitey & lll, Howdy;

Still feel like I'm using a floor sized squeegee to try an round up my collective
stroke, and other basic fundamentals. Today was far better then Thursdays
efforts when it felt like I had just picked up a cue for the first time.
Tony showed up and he just laughed at my feeble attempts :rolleyes:

Any way did well enough to miss the money by 1 place . But it still feels like I
have all my crap scattered all over the place. I see what is going on Monday.
Haven't looked at a video nor a book since Wed. evening. Gotta allow the info
to settle in and get comfy. Then move on to more learning.

Will let ya know more Monday evening.

Thanks for all thoughts and suggestions as always.

hank
 

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Whitey & lll, Howdy;

Still feel like I'm using a floor sized squeegee to try an round up my collective
stroke, and other basic fundamentals. Today was far better then Thursdays
efforts when it felt like I had just picked up a cue for the first time.
Tony showed up and he just laughed at my feeble attempts :rolleyes:

Any way did well enough to miss the money by 1 place . But it still feels like I
have all my crap scattered all over the place. I see what is going on Monday.
Haven't looked at a video nor a book since Wed. evening. Gotta allow the info
to settle in and get comfy. Then move on to more learning.

Will let ya know more Monday evening.

Thanks for all thoughts and suggestions as always.

hank
try to focus on stroke development every time you practice
in addition to anything else
for me
i am now going back to up and down the table with the cue ball drills and 1 diamond stop shots since i seem to have gotten a hitch somewhere in my stroke.....:frus
 

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lll, Howdy;

Know what ya mean... today wasn't as bad as most of last week. I'm down to
using a bucket an sponge then a paper towel for final touch-ups. :rolleyes:
Seems like every time I get into learning something new I go through this
sort of mess. It takes the new information awhile to blend in get comfortable
and then become effective.

However, today, I did the straight back "twist" and a line of balls 1 bank back to
the corners and sides. Then it was on to 3 full racks of rotation, banking whenever
possible and feasible. All in all I felt more comfortable, pocketing was better and
overall every thing seemed to fit better each with the other.

As always, all thoughts and suggestions are welcomed.

hank
 

Dennis "Whitey" Young

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Hank,
There was a game called, "Line Up". It would start the same and is played the same as 14.1 but after a scoring inning, the balls scored would spot up, and the game continues as such. I am not familiar with the history of the game, nor do I know that it ever was considered a championship game. It was continuous with no re-racking and played up to a determined ball count. It was far more challenging to break up the balls to continue to pocket balls when they are lined up.

But, it sure is good for banks, and I would play this game because it was so challenging, and also fun doing the line up banks. Working one end of the line and then the other end of the line of banks, trying to hold the cue ball, and back cutting banks with cb going to foot rail or head rail, and then back in position to do another bank, and so forth. It is not a bank game and balls can be straight pocketed, but just banking in the balls is just pure fun!

Those players that played this game knew their cross side and cross corner banks, and the cushions in those days were excellent! Whitey
 

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Whitey, Howdy;

That Line up game sounds interesting, I'll give it a try next Monday when the
tables are free again.

Today was 8-Ball tourney, small turn out but it was "one of those Days" , ...
no one could make a shot or so it seemed. A few could as we did have win,
place & show... but truly, every one sucked.
I did have a nice shot Ob on rail 1/2 way between far corner pocket and CB was
slightly closer to the end rail. Shot it center ball with 1 tip of left English hitting
it with a 1/2 ball hit on the Right side. Popped off the rail and right into the
pocket just like it was supposed to :D. Couldn't have done it without your short
video and my mind wrestlin' with it then allowing it to settle in.

Thanks for sharing your knowledge with me and whoever else is in the background
scribblin' notes and practicing as well. I'm still a beginner at this but I think that
some progress has been made not much, but it's still in progress and will remain
in progress.

Thanks as always for your thoughts and suggestions.

hank
 

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Whitey & lll, Howdy;

Well, today was 9-ball, basic routine for starters and then 3 racks of rotation.
Seems this is about the best routine for a warm-up. When I do the rotation I do
attempt every bank and kick I can find. Just by doing that I may take 3 to 6 shots
at A ball. Kinda like playin' hide-and-go-seek with myself. Sometimes fun other
times not so much.

I'm staying away from the DVDs and books till Sunday. Shots were starting to go in
at a normal pace. Alignment is OK, doing the 1 stroke during warm-ups, and missing,
still more to Right, just not as often.

Always appreciate y'all's thoughts & suggestions.

hank
 

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Whitey & lll, Howdy;

Well, Yesterday was a 'good day', Tony showed up so practice and warm-ups
were 3 games of 8-ball, before the rest showed up. Tony enjoys Banking and
he does his Banks as they come along. He's 91, about blind in one eye, hard
to see outta the other, deaf as a post in one ear, and is always 'dying
tomorrow'. But, ... get him close to a table and he perks right up. He's been
playing pool since he was 8. So, we play bank the 8 and we chuckle a lot about
close misses and some not so close misses. Since his stroke a few years ago
his hands shake a bit but his stroke is usually true.

So, what can I say, I made some and I missed more then I made ... I am
seeing things, angles and targets better then I was. I'm still hitting some,
not as many, shots off to the Left as the majority of misses are to the Right.
Stroke & stance are what I plan to work on tomorrow, back to the Basics time.

Thanks for any thoughts and suggestions as always.

hank
 
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