Chris /alex 2011 Semi #1

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the score was MINUS 1 chris to MINUS 4 alex:eek:
alex ran 3 and hung up the 8 ball
so now after the balls were spotted the score is minus 1 to minus 1 with chris shooting
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The trick here is to not leave a shot on the eight ball and hopefully hide the ball by your pocket. The 10 ball?

I would probably shoot the right side of the 1 ball and leave the cue ball by the balls near the side pocket.

Even if you leave a shot where he can remove the 10 ball, look at the overall situation.

The next shot you shoot the 8 ball in his pocket and put the cue ball up table opposite your pocket. You will be in good shape.

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bstroud said:
I would probably shoot the right side of the 1 ball and leave the cue ball by the balls near the side pocket.

Even if you leave a shot where he can remove the 10 ball, look at the overall situation.

Bill Stroud
I looked at that shot, but it looked like an easy short rail kick at the 8 ball.;)
Rod.
 

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Alex is too creative and runs too many balls. In this case I think I will just jam the cue ball straight ahead and run the object ball and the cue ball straight toward the eight ball take a foul and cast my fate to the wind. No way will I leave the eight ball there.
 

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bstroud said:
The trick here is to not leave a shot on the eight ball and hopefully hide the ball by your pocket. The 10 ball?

I would probably shoot the right side of the 1 ball and leave the cue ball by the balls near the side pocket.

Even if you leave a shot where he can remove the 10 ball, look at the overall situation.

The next shot you shoot the 8 ball in his pocket and put the cue ball up table opposite your pocket. You will be in good shape.

Bill Stroud

I like this plan too. Best part is it's fairly easy to execute.
 

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On the long rail your side, clip the striped ball on the rail/thus gaining immediate control of your good hit, then clip and move up table slightly the ball to the left, and you can drop in behind the wall of spotted balls, and Not moving the caromed ball but slightly. At worst you'll give up one ball. This then if you hook em on the wall a balls, he'll also have to combo out the ball in your hole because of the thin good hit and keeping the stripe on the long rail.
 

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I don't think you will leave any shot at the 8 ball. If you do leave a rail first, let him try to make it. If he does? Then what? He would need to be very lucky.

In any event he has given up any advantage he had previously.

Remember the most important thing in one pocket is leverage. When the 8 is gone so is his advantage. If he shoots your ten? Good. You will just shoot the 8 in and put him up table. From there you have way the best of it.

Bill Stroud
 

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Contains basic strategy

Contains basic strategy

B Stroud's shot is not only simple to execute, but more importantly, as he explained, contains elements of basic strategy. Basic strategy is something that you can utilize -- always -- in many different situations. Learning a single shot solution that might come up again only if you get sent to the 5th dimension with Mr. Mxyzptlk, is next to worthless.

Beard
 

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fred bentivegna said:
Learning a single shot solution that might come up again only if you get sent to the 5th dimension with Mr. Mxyzptlk, is next to worthless.

Beard
Dear drahwolbdlO

You mean worthless,... as in your valuable [sic] opinion of "one pocket stratagy".....Har, har, har, har,...:D

PS..Now that Stroud has called your B**t L**t bluff, I see you favor his shots more....:p :p :p
 

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Thanks for the opening

Thanks for the opening

SJDinPHX said:
Dear drahwolbdlO

You mean worthless,... as in your valuable [sic] opinion of "one pocket stratagy".....Har, har, har, har,...:D

PS..Now that Stroud has called your B**t L**t bluff, I see you favor his shots more....:p :p :p
Since you have reverted to that place you said you werent going to go to anymore, remember? You know the place where I wish you were 20 years younger so I could knock you on your ass. That place.
I have decided to use your knock as a plug. Everytime you mention B**T L**T I will take that opportunity to repost it.

From my website page, "About the Beard."

Who the hell did the Beard ever beat?
Following is a list of players the Beard beat PLAYING ALL OF THEM EVEN, at least ONCE, in a COMPLETE gambling session, or tournament match over his 50 year career.


Al Racine Al Miller –bank pool, one pocket

Al Werline — bar pool
Allen Young Hoppe Hopkins – bank pool, tourn 9 ball
Alphonso Fonzi Daniels — one pocket and banks
Alton Babyface Whitlow — bank pool
Ardell Blackie LeSeur — Tournament only- Johnston City, IL onepocket
Artie Smartie Artie Bodendorfer — banks and one pocket
Baltimore Buddy Dennis — one pocket
Benny Goose Conway — one pocket
Berle Gabbard — bar pool
Bernard Bunny, Pots and Pans Rogoff — one pocket
Bernie The Hawk Schwartz – one pocket
Bill Cardone, Pittsburgh Billy Incardona — one pocket and banks
Bill Lawson – banks
Bill Memphis Rousey – tournament one pocket
Bill Mielke — 9 ball
Bill Stigall — one pocket
Billy Cornbread Red Burge — bank pool
Billy Joss West Stroud – banks and one pocket
Billy Weir
Black Iceman from LA — one pocket
Black Nate Colbert — banks
Bob Black Bart, Bob Ogburn — one pocket and banks
Bobby Hunter — one pocket
Brooklyn Charlie — one pocket
Bruce One Pocket Ghost Perri — one pocket
Bud Harris — one pocket
Cadillac Dave Piona
California John Mc Cue — one pocket and banks
California Shorty — banks
Cecil Rifleman, Buddy Hall — banks
Cecil The Left Duke Tugwell — one pocket and banks
Champagne Eddie Kelly — tournaments only — Vegas & Richmond Ky, One pocket and 9 ball
Charles Country Monroe — one pocket
Charles Low Down Dirty Preacher Red Jones — one pocket
Charles Rosie Rosenblatt — one pocket
Charlie left handed from Ky. Jones — one pocket and banks
Charlie the Ape — bar pool
Chicago Paul Jones — one pocket and straight pool
Chris Gentile – one pocket and banks
Chris MacDonald — one pocket
Chubby Chino, Chicago Chino — 8 ball
Chuey Rivera — 8 ball
Cletus (Capitol Billiards, Detroit ) — one pocket
Cliff Spotmaster Joyner — one pocket and banks
Clyde Childress — banks
Country Calvin Hargrove — bar pool
Crazy Frank from Buffalo – one pocket
Cuban Joe Valdez — one pocket
Dallas Joey Torma — one pocket
Dallas West — tournament only, straight pool House of Lords, Chicago
Danny Buffalo Kid Di Liberto — bank pool
Danny Medina — bank pool
Dave Yeager
David Sizemore — one pocket
Denny Searcy — bank pool
Diamond Bill Cress — 9 ball and one pocket
Dick Weaver — one pocket and banks

Don Preacher Feeney – straight pool
Don Rose — bank pool
Don Waterdog Edwards — one pocket
Donnie Anderson — bank pool
Earl The Pearl Strickland — bank pool
Eddie Detroit Whitey Beauchene — bank pool
Eddie from Milwaukee Matthews — bar pool, one pocket
Eddie The Hat Burton – one pocket
Eddie White Cannonball Kienowski — banks
Edgar Shake and Bake White — one pocket
Edward Chris McGeahan — banks
Efren Bata, The Magician Reyes — one pocket and banks
Elihu Alley-Oop O’Rear — bar pool
Eugene Clem Metz – bar pool 8 ball
Fat Glen Knowles — one pocket and banks

Floyd Baxter – bar pool
Frank Bananas Rodriguiz — banks
Frank McGowan — One Pocket, Fred Whalen tourn. LA, 4 games to 2
Frank Sailor Stellman — banks
Freddy New Orleans Sessions — banks, one pocket
Freddy Salem – one pocket
Frisco Jack Cooney – one pocket
Gary Pinkowski — banks and one pocket
Gary Spaeth — one pocket, banks when he was very young
Gene The Glove Catrone — one pocket
George Brunt — banks
George Michaels — one pocket , banks and 8 ball
George Pawalski — banks
George Stardust Lounge Chicago Walker — bar pool
Glen Piggy Banks Rogers — bank pool, one pocket
Grady Professor Mathews — one pocket
Greg Big Train Stevens — bank pool
Handsome Danny Jones – bank pool
Harry Poochie Sexton – bank pool
Harry the Horse McConnell — one pocket

Hippie Cole Dickson — one pocket and banks
Hippie Jimmy Marino — bank pool
Hippie Jimmy Reid — bank pool
Hound Dog Calhoun — one pocket
Howard The Coward Meechum — bank pool
Hubert Daddy Warbucks Cokes — banks and one pocket
Ike Runnels – banks
Iron Joe Procita – banks
Isaac Little Miami Gonzales — banks
Isadore Pony Rosen – banks and one pocket
Jack Jersey Red,The Red Raider Breit — tournament only, Philly Legends, two matches, one pocket
Jaffar Patch Eye, Henry Chapman Basheer — banks and one pocket
James the sniper Christopher — one pocket
James Youngblood Brown — banks and one pocket
Jamie Red Rifle Farrell – banks

Jeff Carter — banks and one pocket
Jerry Breisath — banks

Jerry the Actor Orbach – one pocket
Jerry Prado – one pocket,Hot Springs, AR
Jew Paul Brusloff — one pocket
Jimmy Flyboy Spears – one pocket
Jimmy Pretty Boy Floyd Mataya — tournament 9 ball
Jimmy The Kid Wetch – tournament one pocket

Joe Cognoscenti Gold — banks and one pocket
Joe Philly Ross — one pocket
Joe Rocha – bar pool
Joe The Grinder/ The Back Solomon — one pocket
Joey Cincinnati Kid Spaeth – bank pool

John Abruzzo — bank pool
John Drew Hagar — one pocket
John Henry McHenry — one pocket
John Red Shoes Zaksas — bank pool
Johnny Boy Skinner — bank pool

Johnny Lefty, Cannonball Chapman – banks and one pocket
Johnny Popcorn Miller – one pocket

Johnny Velvet Foghorn Ervolino — banks
Jose Amang, Little Giant Parica – banks and one pocket
Jumpin’ Sammy Jones — one pocket
Junior Weldon – bar pool, one pocket
Keith Earthquake, Ether McCready — bank pool
Keith Young Squirrel Thompson – one pocket
Kenny Romburg Remus — one pocket, banks and billiards
King James Rempe — banks
Kokomo Joe Ross — banks
Larry Boston Shorty Johnson — banks
Larry Iceman Hubbart — banks
Larry Oil Can Lisciotti — banks
Larry Swartz — 8 ball, one pocket
Leon Ledford – bar pool
Leonard Bugs Rucker — one pocket
Little Al Romero — one pocket
Little David, The Giant Killer Howard — 9 ball
Long Beach – banks
Louie (Allingers Philly) Esposito — banks
Louis Little Hand Bramlett — banks
Marcel Camp — banks
Marco The Snake Marquez — banks
Martin Omaha Fats Kaiman — one pocket
Marvin Pittsburg Flash Henderson — one pocket and banks
Melvin Strawberry Brooks — one pocket
Mexican champion Cannella – 8 ball
Mexican Johnny Vasquez – one pocket and banks
Michael Geese Gerace -- one pocket
Mike Babyface Gulyassy — Tournament Dayton OH banks
Mike Bandy — banks
Mike Captain Hook Sigel — banks
Mike Carella – banks and one pocket
Mike Shoes Gambony — bar pool, one pocket
Mike Tennessee Tarzan Massey – banks
Milborn Gar Frazier – one pocket
New York Harry Cohen — banks
Nick Varner – banks, broke even $200 game one pocket
Norman Hitch Hitchcock – one pocket
Norman The Jockey Howard — one pocket
Okie Sam, Crotzer — banks
One-eyed Jesse Webb — banks
One-Eyed Tony Howard – one pocket and banks
Paul Doc Brienza — Tournament

Peter Rabbit Linhard — banks, one pocket
Petey Fusco – one pocket
Philadelphia Joey Veasey — one pocket
Pittsburgh John Stapoli — one pocket
Port Chester Mickey Carpinello — banks
Ray Booth — one pocket
Red Jew Town Red — banks
Rich Geiler – tournament Burlington IA
Richard Bucktooth Cook — one pocket
Richard Rocketman Slupik – bar pool
Richie Florence –Tournament Dayton OH, Onepocket
Richie from the Bronx Ambrose -- one pocket and banks
Robert (Houseman in TCOM) Agins — one pocket
Robert Cotton LeBlanc – bar pool, one pocket
Robert Rags Woods — tournament LA

Rodney Babe Thompson – banks
Roger The Rocket Griffis – banks
Ronnie Fast Eddie Allen — banks
Ronnie The Hat, Bald Eagle Mayes — one pocket, 8 ball
Roy Kilroy Kosmolski – one pocket
Rudolfo Boy Sampson Luat – banks and one pocket
Rusty Brandymeyer — banks
Scott Kitto — tournament
Seattle Joe, Tracy Joe Salazar — one pocket , 9 ball bar pool
Seattle Sam, Fat Sam Trivett — one pocket
Shannon, The Cannon, Daulton — one pocket
Skippy Dallas, Tx Le Cue Riggs — banks
Spanish Mike LeBron – one pocket
St. Louis Louie Roberts — banks
Sterling Buttermilk Ward — one pocket
Steve Cookie Monster Cook – one pocket
Steve Lizard Smith — one pocket and banks
Steve Miz Mizerak – banks
Surfer Rod Curry — one pocket
Tex Jean Sonny Springer — one pocket
Three- finger Ronnie Sypher — one pocket and banks
Tom Karabatsos — one pocket
Tom Spencer — one pocket and banks
Tommy Staten Island, Doc Halliday — one pocket
Tommy The Sailor Kramer – one pocket
Tony Banks Coleman — banks
Tony Fargo Ferguson — banks
Top Mexican 9 baller, Chi Chi — banks
ToughTony Brewer — banks
Toupee Jay Helfert – banks
Truman Hogue — Chicago Bumps tourn. bank pool
Utley UJ Puckett – one pocket
Vernon Brier Spivey – one pocket
Vernon Eliot — banks
Vince from Allingers in Philly, “Joe DiMaggio”– banks
Vince Pancho Carelli– banks and one pocket
Wade Billy Johnson Crane – banks and tournament 9 ball Johnston City

Watson (Capitol Billiards Detroit, The Rack) – one pocket
Wendell Weir — banks
Willie Munson — one pocket
 

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This has gone far enough, and I have started contacting the guys on your list. Al Werline says he has never been in a bar, and Charlie the Ape replied 'Freddy who?' Should I continue? :D :D :rolleyes:
 

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fred bentivegna said:
From my website page, "About the Beard."

Who the hell did the Beard ever beat?
Following is a list of players the Beard beat PLAYING ALL OF THEM EVEN, at least ONCE, in a COMPLETE gambling session, or tournament match over his 50 year career.


Freddy, Please include me in your list.
I'm feeling embarrassed, disappointed and left out.
Surely we played when you were in Houston.

Rodney Stephens, Houston Tx-- 10 ball and one pocket.

I would imagine I should be on Bill Stroud and Rod Curry's lists also.
Thanks for anything you can do.
Rod.
PS. Larry, sorry for adding to this Hijack.
 

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I like Bill's shot and leave the c/b on the rail next to the 6. It's simple and would be difficult to do much if anything with the 10 shooting over a ball. He is trapped, if he bends the c/b with out control, let him go for it. It might force him to do just that but I like that risk.

Rod's shot even if executed well gives up a bank on the 9 ball. If you don't give up the bank then he has a combo using the solid. For those reasons I would pass and just keep it simple.

Rod
 

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If I could see the left side of the 3 ball (maybe 3), I think I would try to skim off it and get behind the ball way up table. Of course I might not get behind it, but at least I leave distance on the 8-ball and I move the 3 further out of Alex's side of the table. As the balls lie, it does not look like many of the balls go for Alex and I sure don't want to open up any more.

If I could not see the left side of the 3 I might even consider the same shot off the left side of what looks like the 9-ball. I've attached both here.
 

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Steve,

With both these shots you are playing with fire. If you don't get behind the ball you will leave a rail first on the 8 and a good chance to break up the balls on the spot. Easy to loose the game.

My shot is simple and fool proof.

Bill Stroud
 

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Did you conduct a seance?

Did you conduct a seance?

vapros said:
This has gone far enough, and I have started contacting the guys on your list. Al Werline says he has never been in a bar, and Charlie the Ape replied 'Freddy who?' Should I continue?
For you to talk to Charlie the Ape you must have conducted a seance. Charlie the Ape has been dead, murdered, at least 20 years. Even if you had contacted him from the dead he may have forgotten since we played at Daisy Mae's in about 1970, about the time I played Werline.:rolleyes:

Beard

I do have guys on the list you can contact that are alive. If you are really interested I can provide phone numbers. Right here on our own site we have
Billy Incardona, Artie Bodendorfer, and Shannon Daulton. I am sure JAM wouldnt have any problem asking Keith McReady for verification. SJD is big pals, supposedly, with Ronnie Allen and Eddie Kelly. Maybe he would do you a turn. All those "friends" of Cole Dickson could probably help you out. I have his phone number if you like. Along with Truman Hogue's, Jimmy Mataya,Tony Banks Coleman, Bunny Rogoff, Allen Hopkins, Bobby Hunter, and about 20 others.,etc. That should be enough to get you started. Be careful talking to Cliff Joyner tho, as that info would probably have to be paid for.

Or you could come to DCC and grill some of these people in person. I had that plan in store for SJD last year, but he tricked me and didnt show.:eek:

Good luck with your studies, PM me if you need any further contact info. I cant help you with the dead guys tho. You apparently know how to do that yourself.;) :)

Beard
 

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You are being sarcastic, but...

You are being sarcastic, but...

androd said:
Freddy, Please include me in your list.
I'm feeling embarrassed, disappointed and left out.
Surely we played when you were in Houston.

Rodney Stephens, Houston Tx-- 10 ball and one pocket.

I would imagine I should be on Bill Stroud and Rod Curry's lists also.
Thanks for anything you can do.
Rod.
PS. Larry, sorry for adding to this Hijack.
... I have been racking my memory for a couple of years, since we have been on this forum to confirm in my brain as to whether we played or not. We may have. I do remember there was a player/gambler named Rodney at the Le Cue. He wasnt tall, and was about my age, maybe younger. I was there either in 70 or 72 for at least a week. Little Hand and Jersey Red were there at that time and Fats and Cannonball had just left. While I was there
Greg Stevens ran 7 racks on Little Hand on the 5 x 10 giving him the 7 ball.
I played Greg and Otis Riggs while I was there for sure.

Beard
 

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Naw, Freddy, I have decided to mind my own business today. I seem to be busted. Be well. :)
 
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