Who is the best ball runner to date?

[tylerdurden]

There was some prop bet a while back where john schmidt was getting odds on the money (forget the exact figure) on running the entire 15 into one pocket after breaking them. I heard this second hand, but he ran out the first rack to 15 and the guy pulled up I believe, or something along those lines. Pretty amazing.

I wonder what the odds are for a top player to put up a 15. I would think it is way up there.

 

[baby huey]

There has been a lot of great ball runners over the years and Effie has to be at the top of the list. If we agree on Effie being number #1 then let's proceed to the next in line. The top ball runner has to have great pattern skills, ball touch, shot making ability and lastly great banking skills. I put Alex and Shane at the top of this list for number #2 with honorable mention to Corey, Dennis, Busty, Schmidt, Frosty, Shannon and many others.

 

[Scrzbill]

There has been a lot of great ball runners over the years and Effie has to be at the top of the list. If we agree on Effie being number #1 then let's proceed to the next in line. The top ball runner has to have great pattern skills, ball touch, shot making ability and lastly great banking skills. I put Alex and Shane at the top of this list for number #2 with honorable mention to Corey, Dennis, Busty, Schmidt, Frosty, Shannon and many others.

That year that you played Earl and Earl went on at the DCC, Earl made eight of the greatest shots ever for one game. He started out with a near impossible cross corner and the next seven balls he made were all behind the string. He really put on a show that day. Who's the greatest?, whoever runs out against me for the cheese. One and duck was the one pocket game I learned. Running out style was learned in California. Kentucky

 

[petie]

There was some prop bet a while back where john schmidt was getting odds on the money (forget the exact figure) on running the entire 15 into one pocket after breaking them. I heard this second hand, but he ran out the first rack to 15 and the guy pulled up I believe, or something along those lines. Pretty amazing.

I wonder what the odds are for a top player to put up a 15. I would think it is way up there.

A couple of years ago Cory was playing that prop bet for 5 times the money. He beat the hell out of it. Think about that...run 15 and out better than 1 out of 5. Pretty sporty.

 

[straightback]

For my money, I put Earl just behind Efren in terms of ball running capabilities. His ability to fire in shots from anywhere is breathtaking.

It's too early, I say, to speak about how good Shane's abilities are, but he is on track to be up there with the best.

If we are talking long shots and clean pocketing of balls, Alex cannot be topped. Allison Fischer is probably right behind him. If we lowered the pocket size to 3.5", I think she would rob a lot of the men. No question.

I generally don't think of Shannon as an all-out pocketing machine. Don't get me wrong, he is one of my absolute favorite 1p players and and bankers. It's just that I have not seen him destroy packages of 9-ball or make huge runs continually in 1p nearly as often as some of the others mentioned here.

 

[Cowboy Dennis]

I know Efren was always noted a few years back as the best ball runner playing one pocket. I think there are a few now that run balls as well or better than Efren did. Shane, Scott and Alex for example. I know Billy I. and several others here could answer this better than I can? I know many young players like Justin B, Chip and a few others can run 12's very often, when giving up big weight. I watched a young player run 12 and out 4 times the other night. Opinions?

"Who Is The Best Ball Runner To Date?" Well, everyone has their own peccadillos but here are some of my favorite ball runners to date:

1. A BankPool specialist who actually played pretty good for a girl. She was a nifty little number.

2. Before her was an Italian lovely who was maybe the best ball runner I ever knew.

3. After her was a Southern Baptist minister's daughter. The repressed impulses in that girl came out during her ball running.

4. Years before her was a 17 yr. old hot little blond whose speciality was what she referred to as "spot-em up shots". We once played a race to 7 for her body. I didn't stall, beat her 7-0. We "dated" for about 6 months.

These are my 4 favorites and I still see two of them.

Dennis

 

[NH Steve]

A couple of years ago Cory was playing that prop bet for 5 times the money. He beat the hell out of it. Think about that...run 15 and out better than 1 out of 5. Pretty sporty.

Yes, I remember that from DCC one year. It seems like there were some rule nuances -- like when or if balls made in neutral pockets would spot up -- that were not 100% decided ahead of time and that figured into the game getting pulled up. I don't even remember which side pulled up.

 

[spiderwebcomm]

Re: Who is the best ball runner to date?

My take on Hopkins Is that he was good for his time but the quality of play and strategy has advanced considerably since his time. Having said that, he can run balls in 1p. However, I wouldn't even put him in the top 250 9-ball players of all time - I doubt even in his prime years if he would make it much past the 5th round of today's US Open or DCC.

For sheer volume of balls, Reyes cannot be topped. It doesn't matter what game - he just puts 'em down. He is hands-down the best at negotiating difficult layouts. His delicate nudges and break outs are perfect, as his ability to shoot shots with maximum English (most notably, inside) to get shape. In fact, he's twice as good as the next inside cue ball player, maybe more. When you throw in 3C and balkline, his speed control is top flight.

Can you just imagine if Efren ever really took the time to really learn the intricacies of 1p?

If Allen isn't the very best all-around American player ever, of any generation, he's definitely not worse than dos. He's without a doubt the smartest, for sure.


Couldn't make it past the 5th round of the US Open? The man won the US Open 9 ball multiple times and even won the US Open 9 ball AND the World 14.1 in the same year. He was also the first American to snap off the rotation division of the World Japan Open and won the all-around for that event.


There's running balls and then there's RUNNING balls. Earl runs out via sheer retard strength and you have him clocked just behind Efren on a 1 hole site? Earl wouldn't bet he could break and run a 15 ball rack at one point...which is a fact.


Allen's high run in one hole was 50-something. I witnessed him breaking and running all 15 into his hole (from a 1 pkt break) twice....in a row. He also ran 10-and-out on a snooker table, 3x in a row, for $10k/game against Jew Paul... anyone else have that on their chalkboard?


While guys like Earl shoot in 6' shots all the time, Allen is infrequently outside of 2' from his work... Earl's CB was never in Allen's league.


Allen not in the top 250 of all time? LOL ...*rolling my eyes*

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[Cowboy Dennis]

He also ran 10-and-out on a snooker table, 3x in a row, for $10k/game against Jew Paul... anyone else have that on their chalkboard?

Are you certain it was Hopkins? I thought it was Cornbread and I thought it was 4- 10 & outs on a Snooker table.

My memory ain't what it used to be.

Dennis

 

[spiderwebcomm]

Re: Who is the best ball runner to date?

Are you certain it was Hopkins? I thought it was Cornbread and I thought it was 4- 10 & outs on a Snooker table.

My memory ain't what it used to be.

Dennis

Yes, I'm sure.

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[tylerdurden]

How do you guys rank Mark Tadd is his prime against the best players that are popping up in this thread. I know he was not at that level long term, but that is by far the scariest offense I have seen with my own personal 2 eyes.

 

[straightback]

Yeah, Allen Hopkins has some titles, many of which were compiled during times which World and U.S. Opens were like Wednesday night Calcutta's at your local bowling alley. I stand by what I said. He was a good straight pool player and a good 1p player for his time.

With respect to an nine-ball: are you seriously gonna argue he has the firepower to break and run with your local shortstop? (I don't even know where you're from but I can imagine there's talent). Be honest.

In a thread where were talking BEST ball runners to date, Allen damn Hopkins is your pick?

 

[spiderwebcomm]

Re: Who is the best ball runner to date?

Yeah, Allen Hopkins has some titles, many of which were compiled during times which World and U.S. Opens were like Wednesday night Calcutta's at your local bowling alley. I stand by what I said. He was a good straight pool player and a good 1p player for his time.

With respect to an nine-ball: are you seriously gonna argue he has the firepower to break and run with your local shortstop? (I don't even know where you're from but I can imagine there's talent). Be honest.

Are you a shortstop? Play him some and find out. Won't take long. In fact, pick a game out of a hat and find out.

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[spiderwebcomm]

Re: Who is the best ball runner to date?

Yeah, Allen Hopkins has some titles, many of which were compiled during times which World and U.S. Opens were like Wednesday night Calcutta's at your local bowling alley. I stand by what I said. He was a good straight pool player and a good 1p player for his time.

With respect to an nine-ball: are you seriously gonna argue he has the firepower to break and run with your local shortstop? (I don't even know where you're from but I can imagine there's talent). Be honest.

In a thread where were talking BEST ball runners to date, Allen damn Hopkins is your pick?

Allen is one of my top picks... would be for any knowledgeable player. I only posted because your first post is so insanely out of line it's jaw dropping. Take the crack pipe out of your mouth, son.

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[straightback]

Are you a shortstop? Play him some and find out. Won't take long. In fact, pick a game out of a hat and find out.

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How about let's have a draw stroke contest. I'll give him odds and let's see whose got a stroke. You the mayor of Prussia? Head of his fan club? What gives?

 

[straightback]

Let's not sink to ad hominem attacks, good sir.

 

[Cowboy Dennis]

I know Efren was always noted a few years back as the best ball runner playing one pocket. I think there are a few now that run balls as well or better than Efren did. Shane, Scott and Alex for example. I know many young players like Justin B, Chip and a few others can run 12's very often, when giving up big weight. I watched a young player run 12 and out 4 times the other night. Opinions?

One thing that's usually left out of the equation when top ball-runners are giving up tremendous weight to weak players, like Frost giving up 18-4 to Dippy or any other games like that is that the top player gets many more easy opportunities to make high runs because of the level of play of their opponents.

When Frost, Deuel, SVB, Bugs, Cornbread or Daulton or any of them are playing equals you simply don't see as much ball running.

For the record, as far as pure ball running playing onepocket, Efren outclassed every living human, always. He got to balls that nobody ever got to and ran out.

Dennis

 

[petie]

"Who Is The Best Ball Runner To Date?" Well, everyone has their own peccadillos but here are some of my favorite ball runners to date:

1. A BankPool specialist who actually played pretty good for a girl. She was a nifty little number.

2. Before her was an Italian lovely who was maybe the best ball runner I ever knew.

3. After her was a Southern Baptist minister's daughter. The repressed impulses in that girl came out during her ball running.

4. Years before her was a 17 yr. old hot little blond whose speciality was what she referred to as "spot-em up shots". We once played a race to 7 for her body. I didn't stall, beat her 7-0. We "dated" for about 6 months.

These are my 4 favorites and I still see two of them.

Dennis

No. 1 wasn't named Paula was she?

 

[stedyfred]

Allen Hopkins ran balls in one pocket so easily; it was scary good. He may not shoot at his hole as aggressively as some of the other players mentioned but when he decides to shoot, he gets RIGHT ON THE BALL and RUNS THEM (like H2O). An absolutely GR8 player and straightback u r way out of line diminishing his pool accomplishments. JMHO, have a nice day and I don't live in King of Prussia.

 

[spiderwebcomm]

Re: Who is the best ball runner to date?

How about let's have a draw stroke contest. I'll give him odds and let's see whose got a stroke. You the mayor of Prussia? Head of his fan club? What gives?

I'll put him in and I'll take the odds. When we meeting?

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