9/6 vs 11/7

[baby huey]

Looking at spots remember playing EVEN you have to beat your opponent such that he can't get more that seven balls. So, 9/6 means he can't get more than five balls. The lessor player IMO is always seeking to go to a lower number so that he doesn't have to perform so perfectly to win the game. I always favored money line spots vs ball spots. I'd play anyone even if the money line was right. I once played a guy who was my speed with a money line. I told him whatever spot he wanted just lay me the same price on the money. We setteled on 9/7 and he laid me $90/$70 on the money. We broke even on games after 6 hours or so and I make a nice little score.

 

[NH Steve]

I wonder if the reason there seems to be a discrepency between math and experience, comes down to the fact that math is more of a theoretical way of looking at it, where you can win in say 4.7 innings. But in real life there is no 7/10ths of an inning -- it is either 4 innings or 5 innings. And in any game, the "next" inning can be the one you win in or lose in, but in no way will it be a fraction -- unless somebody quits abruptly lol So maybe the math is not so great in the short run -- but really only starts to work in the long term -- via "averages".

 

[Bob Jewett]

I wonder if the reason there seems to be a discrepency between math and experience, comes down to the fact that math is more of a theoretical way of looking at it, where you can win in say 4.7 innings. But in real life there is no 7/10ths of an inning -...

No, I think it's because with a longer game the better player has more time to move the balls to favorable positions. At one pocket you can make a lot of progress towards your goal without pocketing a ball.

The question remains how much the increased length is worth compared to the theoretically tougher ball spot. I think it depends on the skills and styles of the two players.

 

[darmoose]

I agree with all, (except Darmoose) 9/6 is a much better game.

Hey Rod............where did I say that?

 

[androd]

Hey Rod............where did I say that?

Well I'm to old to look up the thread, but you were quoting Dr. Bill to me and I said you all had a right to be wrong just like anybody else.
You don't remember? How old are you ?

 

[darmoose]

Well I'm to old to look up the thread, but you were quoting Dr. Bill to me and I said you all had a right to be wrong just like anybody else.
You don't remember? How old are you ?

You may be hallucinating. ........but if I was quoting Dr Bill I am in pretty good company, right or wrong.

 

[androd]

You may be hallucinating. ........but if I was quoting Dr Bill I am in pretty good company, right or wrong.

Right, have you changed your mind about 9/6 or 11/7 you were die hard 11/7 the best game to take before ?
P.S. Haven''t been able to find any LSD so probably not hallucinating

 

[Nick B]

I'll throw another comment into the mix. Do you consider yourself a "shooter or a mover" If you are a Shooter than 11-7 is fine because the extra ball is not an issue. If you can't get to 7 it's because he kept you off a shot or played perfect. If you are a 'Mover" then 9/6 and push them up table at first opertunity.

 

[NH Steve]

I'll throw another comment into the mix. Do you consider yourself a "shooter or a mover" If you are a Shooter than 11-7 is fine because the extra ball is not an issue. If you can't get to 7 it's because he kept you off a shot or played perfect. If you are a 'Mover" then 9/6 and push them up table at first opertunity.

That is a great answer!!

 

[#Cruncher]

Thanks Nick. I'm kind of a jack of all trades, maybe, leaning a little more to the moving department, which is why I turned down 11/7. He rejected the 9/6 or 12/7 that I proposed. We came to an agreement of 11/7 12/7. Now I just gotta find my stroke again before I play the match.

 

[BRLongArm]

The better player is always wanting you to go to the larger number. Remember what Cliff used to say when he took a foul: "What's a ball to me?" An extra ball to you is huge. Go to the smaller number is almost always the right thing to do.

 

[catkins]

The way I see it is how many mistakes your opponent needs to make for you to win. If your playing a top notch shooter 9 would ususaly be a one mistake game for you and 6 may or may not be a one mistake game for you. 11 7 may not change that except that your going to possibly need more mistakes to win witch are less likely with the better player than the weaker

 

[Billy Jackets]

The great Allen Hopkins once mentioned to me that in his experience playing weaker players 9/6 vs 11/7 is a flip of the coin. However, Rodney who I have the utmost respect for says 9/6 is much better for the weaker player. I'm assuming he also has experience with both spots. I would have to side with Rodney.

Dr. Bill

Hopkins is a tough guy to gauge, he looks like he isn't doing much , but his opponents, usually aren't shooting at their hole, all that often.
I believe him to be the better mover, even though a lot of it, just looks like dinking, compared to Rodney. I would love to know your opinion ?

 

[beatle]

so would you rather take 8 to 6 than 11 to 7. no of course not.

so it is, the -ratio- that counts...,, not the balls needed except in cases like i said in earlier post. such as break and ball running ability .
those can affect it somewhat depending on length of game. but that is individual player dependent.

 

[androd]

I'll throw another comment into the mix. Do you consider yourself a "shooter or a mover" If you are a Shooter than 11-7 is fine because the extra ball is not an issue. If you can't get to 7 it's because he kept you off a shot or played perfect. If you are a 'Mover" then 9/6 and push them up table at first opertunity.

So if you're a shooter, you'd rather go to 7 than 6. I just don't get your point Nick, I must be getting dense in my dotage.