- Nov 1, 2016
well this is the break I like , I am not shorting great right now and just noticed how much my tip moves on my finish. I guess I have something to fix
Hopkins showed me this break at the DCC one year. He used to offer a proposition of five tries to run all 15. I think he did it on the fourth try when he was showing me.I've also heard of Allen Hopkins' break where you break off softly at a shallow angle down the side of the rack. The cue ball comes two rails out to the middle of the table, which guarantees you a first shot and a few loose balls pretty much all the time. Obviously, you will have to work the rack a bit more compared to the head ball break with draw or Cornbread Red's break. Has anyone tried it ?
I tried 3 attempts using the head ball break and alternating pockets. I had a 19, 17 & 10. The balls were getting dirty I guess and I wasn't getting good separation. I change the break coming off the side of the rack with the same ball conditions and shot a 29 & 11 in the 2 additional sets I tried. I had a 6 and a 13 in the first to games of the 29 but thanks to coming short on several position shots I had to make circus shots to keep the runs alive. I should have done better than 29 I believe.Here is something that others might want to participate in: I shot 3 games of 5 Rack OP and kept track of my score. I got a 21, 16, 15 which averages out to 17. So this is my starting point. I will track this once in awhile and see how I am progressing.
I’m confused about the comment about DCC rules. They were always “cue ball played where it lies” after the break, except on a scratch, which was BIH behind the line, minus 1 for the scratch, but considered well worth the penalty in exchange for BIH. I was there every year they had this, and I even ultimately collected and handled out the money most years.Hopkins showed me this break at the DCC one year. He used to offer a proposition of five tries to run all 15. I think he did it on the fourth try when he was showing me.
I bet with Varner on the five-rack proposition about 1995(?). He also played without ball in hand but his standard break was to scratch and take ball in hand behind the line. He was going to 33 which was sort of like 38 due to the scratches. During the several sessions he ran 15-and-out seven times. Actually, that would be 16-and-out due to a ball being spotted for the scratch at the end of the rack.
I first saw ball in hand after the break at the One Pocket Shootout which I think Jay Helfert organized at the DCC for two or three years. Corey of course had a special break figured out in which the cue ball kissed the corner ball as it came out on his opponent's side to keep it from ending on the bad side rail.
John Schmidt says he had a 72 in practice with the DCC rules.
You're right. I just checked the original announcement. I must have been thinking about the side action.... They were always “cue ball played where it lies” after the break, except on a scratch, which was BIH behind the line, minus 1 for the scratch, but considered well worth the penalty in exchange for BIH. ...
Under alternative game 5 Rack OP / Break Scratch: I added your game rule distinction pertaining to this game, that the owed ball for a break scratch is to be spotted after all other balls have been scored. Thank You! WhiteyYou're right. I just checked the original announcement. I must have been thinking about the side action.
If a scratch is allowed on the break with a -1 score, the rules need to say whether a ball will be spotted at the end of the rack to allow a total of 15 in the rack.