LSJohn
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Sounds like you're in favor of an addendum along the lines ofhowever
Recommendations for courtesies that have been established by tradition (followed by, yada, yada, yada.)
Right?
Sounds like you're in favor of an addendum along the lines ofhowever
Yes johnSounds like you're in favor of an addendum along the lines of
Recommendations for courtesies that have been established by tradition (followed by, yada, yada, yada.)
Right?
Dennis, Bob and I have been having a lot of discussion about "close proximity" shots. One thought is to include something like this in the alternate/common practices/house rules font that we use here and there below the numbered rules. This comment -- or something like it -- could be placed below the 6.1 Cue ball fouls only section.
Close proximity shots often come up in One Pocket with no referee available. When shooting towards an object ball(s) in close proximity to the cue ball, it is a double hit foul if the cue ball goes immediately forward past the contact point or forward through the tangent line, without sufficient cue ball reaction time for english to take effect. With advanced skill, it is possible to play these shots without committing a foul. Alternatively, players may agree that shooting away at a sufficiently thin angle reasonably avoids a double hit. A ball declared frozen to the cue ball may be legally stroked through.
That’s why I put that in therebest rule to avoid any arguments is that as long as the cue is at 45 degrees the shot is good. works for both parties.
its too hard otherwise to agree whether it was a double hit or not especially if someone is going to lose the game over it.
try telling someone that their cue ball moved a half inch forward so its a foul, but if he was especially skilled it may not have been.
Yes something like that would definitely be a double hit or push or both, if secondary balls are in close proximity.Exception, a ''shovel shot'' where the shooting player pushes through the shot moving multiple balls while continuing their ''follow thru''
This is easy to show/explain at the players meeting.
best rule to avoid any arguments is that as long as the cue is at 45 degrees the shot is good. works for both parties.
its too hard otherwise to agree whether it was a double hit or not especially if someone is going to lose the game over it.
try telling someone that their cue ball moved a half inch forward so its a foul, but if he was especially skilled it may not have been.
the neutral ball thing is all good till you get to derby and it takes 10 min for the ball to come out of the table so it is customary to spot a collected ball and move the one that comes out of the table. Other wise I am ok with the rules though agree with Steve that this is not rules specific to one pocket but just politeness at the table
That’s why I put that in there
I like rule alsoGood rule. Saves a lot of arguments.
I agree about tangible. I had to play a guy the night, he was all over the place, I just asked him to please sit down. For some people, it is foreign, this etiquette thing.Rules and etiquette are two different animals. How about fidgeting in your chair while your opponent is at the table? Rule or pool etiquette? Let's focus on rules which are easier to identify and implement.
best rule to avoid any arguments is that as long as the cue is at 45 degrees the shot is good. works for both parties.
its too hard otherwise to agree whether it was a double hit or not especially if someone is going to lose the game over it.
try telling someone that their cue ball moved a half inch forward so its a foul, but if he was especially skilled it may not have been.
I agree about tangible. I had to play a guy the night, he was all over the place, I just asked him to please sit down. For some people, it is foreign, this etiquette thing.
Just because it is legal to shoot through an object ball that is frozen to the cue ball, does not clear the way for an illegal double hit or push caused by secondary object balls that are in "close proximity". I think that is what you are referring to as a "shovel shot", correct? That would be considered a foul because the push/double hit that is caused by the secondary "close proximity" balls.Exception, a ''shovel shot'' where the shooting player pushes through the shot moving multiple balls while continuing their ''follow thru''
This is easy to show/explain at the players meeting.