Wedge question

[Fatboy]

Have it been concluded which side its better on?

I talking about 12 or more balls tight into the corner up in the kitchen. for what ever reason when I play it usually ends up on the other guys side of the table, even if I try and get it to my side 80% of the time its not. I like it better on my side.


Whats the word around the campfire, is there a advantage on what side its on, i'm talking about a tight one where most the balls end up in the hole.

the reason i like it on my side is i like straight backs and after most of the balls are gone, there usually is a nice couple balls left to bank, I perfer straight backs to 2 railers so i like the wedge on my side, but like i said thats 1 in 5 times.

Funny how that works, i'd love a little advice here and why does it end up on the wrong side for me, am i being out moved(i think so).

thanks

Eric

 

[mr3cushion]

Have it been concluded which side its better on?

I talking about 12 or more balls tight into the corner up in the kitchen. for what ever reason when I play it usually ends up on the other guys side of the table, even if I try and get it to my side 80% of the time its not. I like it better on my side.


Whats the word around the campfire, is there a advantage on what side its on, i'm talking about a tight one where most the balls end up in the hole.

the reason i like it on my side is i like straight backs and after most of the balls are gone, there usually is a nice couple balls left to bank, I perfer straight backs to 2 railers so i like the wedge on my side, but like i said thats 1 in 5 times.

Funny how that works, i'd love a little advice here and why does it end up on the wrong side for me, am i being out moved(i think so).

thanks

Eric

With my limited knowledge, I would think. If a player has the lower left pocket He would want the balls wedged in the upper right pocket. Simply because if by chance with all the balls clustered around that pocket, one might fall in, needing to be spotted, therefore perhaps leaving some kind of shot for the incoming player. JMHO!

Bill Smith "Mr3Cushion"

 

[Fatboy]

thats the only time i get a shot from that spot, and i'm good at spot shots. problem is after 1 ball is spotted the spot is tied up and then when a few more balls fall i'm in a bad spot.

your right when the 1st ball from the wedge goes in accidentally, but often the CB is locked up when that happens.

thanks for your input, hope to see you soon, have some 3C questions for you.

 

[mr3cushion]

thats the only time i get a shot from that spot, and i'm good at spot shots. problem is after 1 ball is spotted the spot is tied up and then when a few more balls fall i'm in a bad spot.

your right when the 1st ball from the wedge goes in accidentally, but often the CB is locked up when that happens.

thanks for your input, hope to see you soon, have some 3C questions for you.

No problem, Eric, anytime you're around!

Bill Smith "Mr3Cushion"

 

[tylerdurden]

I personally feel it is useless, even counter-productive, to worry about what side of the table the alleged (for cowboy) wedge is on. There just isn't enough of an advantage either way to worry about it. Focus on just playing strong one pocket, and let your opponent be distracted by which side is better is my advice.

 

[wincardona]

Have it been concluded which side its better on?

I talking about 12 or more balls tight into the corner up in the kitchen. for what ever reason when I play it usually ends up on the other guys side of the table, even if I try and get it to my side 80% of the time its not. I like it better on my side.


Whats the word around the campfire, is there a advantage on what side its on, i'm talking about a tight one where most the balls end up in the hole.

the reason i like it on my side is i like straight backs and after most of the balls are gone, there usually is a nice couple balls left to bank, I perfer straight backs to 2 railers so i like the wedge on my side, but like i said thats 1 in 5 times.

Funny how that works, i'd love a little advice here and why does it end up on the wrong side for me, am i being out moved(i think so).

thanks

Eric

Good question, I believe after hearing all sides of this discussed that the "wedge" benefits the player with the "cater-corner" pocket. I believe that Billy Smith has a very valid point with why the wedge favors the "cater-corner" pocket. Also with the "wedge" positioned in the cater corner pocket it frees up all "straight back" banks as well as giving the opposing player a more difficult position to deal from. The player with the "diagonal" pocket will have more difficulties controlling the cue ball through the "wedge" process.

Dr. Bill

 

[mr3cushion]

Good question, I believe after hearing all sides of this discussed that the "wedge" benefits the player with the "cater-corner" pocket. I believe that Billy Smith has a very valid point with why the wedge favors the "cater-corner" pocket. Also with the "wedge" positioned in the cater corner pocket it frees up all "straight back" banks as well as giving the opposing player a more difficult position to deal from. The player with the "diagonal" pocket will have more difficulties controlling the cue ball through the "wedge" process.

Dr. Bill

Well said, Dr. Bill, even 3 Cushion players know when they see common sense in action!

Bill Smith "Mr3Cushion"

 

[lll]

eric
here is a past dicussions on the subject
http://www.onepocket.org/forum/showthread.php?t=3516&highlight=wedge

 

[naji]

Have it been concluded which side its better on?

I talking about 12 or more balls tight into the corner up in the kitchen. for what ever reason when I play it usually ends up on the other guys side of the table, even if I try and get it to my side 80% of the time its not. I like it better on my side.


Whats the word around the campfire, is there a advantage on what side its on, i'm talking about a tight one where most the balls end up in the hole.

the reason i like it on my side is i like straight backs and after most of the balls are gone, there usually is a nice couple balls left to bank, I perfer straight backs to 2 railers so i like the wedge on my side, but like i said thats 1 in 5 times.

Funny how that works, i'd love a little advice here and why does it end up on the wrong side for me, am i being out moved(i think so).

thanks

Eric

At times it is natural for the balls to cluster at opposite corner because opponent leave a ball by his pocket, CB uptable, so safest way is to to push the ball up table to his side to gain distance between ob and cb, i have seen experienced players play the safety a little harder two rails to their side and cb stays at opponent side, of course all depends on the $$$ bet and how many balls you need, and who you are playing; i play wedge game when i am a head two or three games; that will demoralize your customer..

But to answer the question i lost more games with balls clustered on my side of table than the opposite side because my opponent manages to find a loose ball to his hole and safe CB, where as my only chance to make a ball either two rail large angle shot of which most often leaves a bank, or he leaves me straight which is rare or a dead ball in the wedge of which is very rare; so opponent waits like a lion waiting for a pray to leave the heard and shoot it, and hope it does not die so you finish the kill!!!.

 

[androd]

I believe it takes two players that wish to do this. I've never played a game of this
in 50 years, and never will.
Rod.

 

[wincardona]

Don't you really get a kick out of ostentatious people...you know.. people like "Old School" :lol:lol

Dr. Bill

 

[Fatboy]

Good question, I believe after hearing all sides of this discussed that the "wedge" benefits the player with the "cater-corner" pocket. I believe that Billy Smith has a very valid point with why the wedge favors the "cater-corner" pocket. Also with the "wedge" positioned in the cater corner pocket it frees up all "straight back" banks as well as giving the opposing player a more difficult position to deal from. The player with the "diagonal" pocket will have more difficulties controlling the cue ball through the "wedge" process.

Dr. Bill

thats what i have noticed, its harder for me to hide(or be in a favorable spot with the wedge diagonal to my hole).

so since this seems to happen 80% of the time (when it does happen-not all that often) am i being out moved because the wedge is on the wrong side?

i appreciate the insight.

FYI: I learned more about pool since i took up one hole than I did in the first 20 years i played. good Lord I dont know why i didnt start playing before:frus:frus:frus

 

[onepockethacker]

Real simple.. Nick is the master at this.. just watch a couple of videos of matches he did this in and see what pocket he has.. if its always the same scenario then you know..

 

[SloMoHolic]

Wedge question

I've enjoyed the many discussions about the wedge that I've read or heard.

I recently watched a 1P video (can't remember who the players were), and Billy was discussing this very topic.

My personal preference is to have the wedge on my opponent's side of the table. I feel like it ties up the head rail for the opponent, preventing easy straight-backs, which in turn makes it a little bit easier for me to leave the CB safe near his pocket.

Also, it seems easier to pocket one of the wedge balls, and use the rest of the traffic to block the spot shot. Even if I accidentally leave a path to the spotted ball, it is usually such a difficult cut that it's not worth shooting.

On the other hand, if my opponent pockets a wedge ball, and leaves the CB in the wedge area, the spot shot (if available) is naturally lined up more toward my pocket. I'm thinking of the times that my opponent didn't intend to pocket one of the wedge balls.

I also like Tyler's opinion, which was basically "Just shut up and play solid one-pocket." I need to do more of that.



These are just my (inexperienced) thoughts.

-Blake

 

[wincardona]

Good question, I believe after hearing all sides of this discussed that the "wedge" benefits the player with the "cater-corner" pocket. I believe that Billy Smith has a very valid point with why the wedge favors the "cater-corner" pocket. Also with the "wedge" positioned in the cater corner pocket it frees up all "straight back" banks as well as giving the opposing player a more difficult position to deal from. The player with the "diagonal" pocket will have more difficulties controlling the cue ball through the "wedge" process. ( My bad, I should of said that the player that did not have the diagonal pocket will have more trouble controlling the cue ball through the "wedge" process)


Dr. Bill

I'm surprise that no one actually caught my contradiction, anyways Imo the wedge favors the player that has the "diagonal" pocket for the reasons I stated.:sorry

Dr. Bill

 

[vapros]

Back on subject:

Back on subject:

I think I have heard Freddie say this on more than one DVD match: Especially if you are behind, and there is some kind of wedge (on either side) it is a good plan to try to pocket a ball uptable, and hide the cueball from the spot shot, and then make another ball uptable and try to force your man to shoot at the two spotted balls. Please correct me if I haven't remembered correctly.

In this manner you can get a couple of balls in action (even if you wind up having to shoot them yourself) without scattering the balls in the wedge. How about some commentary here?

 

[wincardona]

I think I have heard Freddie say this on more than one DVD match: Especially if you are behind, and there is some kind of wedge (on either side) it is a good plan to try to pocket a ball uptable, and hide the cueball from the spot shot, and then make another ball uptable and try to force your man to shoot at the two spotted balls. Please correct me if I haven't remembered correctly.

In this manner you can get a couple of balls in action (even if you wind up having to shoot them yourself) without scattering the balls in the wedge. How about some commentary here?

You got it pretty close to right Bill. Actually what you would want to do when you're behind is not only snooker your opponent from the spotted ball but try to snooker him again to position the third spotted ball on the foot spot. It's much more difficult to come off of three balls on the foot spot, as opposed to just two balls on the foot spot..when you're trying to put balls back out of play. I have seen Varner win many games facing large deficits off of the "wedge" position.

You've been absent for awhile, hope everythings good with you.

Dr Bill

 

[fred bentivegna]

You got it pretty close to right Bill. Actually what you would want to do when you're behind is not only snooker your opponent from the spotted ball but try to snooker him again to position the third spotted ball on the foot spot. It's much more difficult to come off of three balls on the foot spot, as opposed to just two balls on the foot spot..when you're trying to put balls back out of play. I have seen Varner win many games facing large deficits off of the "wedge" position.

You've been absent for awhile, hope everythings good with you.

Dr Bill

You just had to "one-up" me didnt you? :frus How about this now --- if you can get four (4) balls on the spot, that is even better than 3 when you are behind. So there!:sorry

Beard

Seriously, three (3) is the target number.

 

[Fatboy]

You just had to "one-up" me didnt you? :frus How about this now --- if you can get four (4) balls on the spot, that is even better than 3 when you are behind. So there!:sorry

Beard

Seriously, three (3) is the target number.

i know i'm low man on the totem poll here, but i seen Cotton come with a shot with 4 balls on the spot that's deadly. I used it once (dont come up often) , If there are 4 balls on the spot(no other balls) and Cotton had ball in hand-game over. he kicks it 2 rails and the CB ends up back on the head rail frozen and the trap is set. I don't know lots of these type of shots/moves but that one I do. 3 or 5 balls it dont work.


thanks for all the advice, wedge games are interesting, and while they dont happen often I enjoy them when they do come along.

best
eric