DarrellJust trying to understand the discussion here regarding potential fouls when shooting a shot in this scenario. The two balls are frozen to each other...if you shoot with a continuous stroke, and probably jacked up, how can you foul? On the other hand, with both balls frozen to a rail, unless you drive one or both to another rail, or pocket the OB, how can you avoid a foul? .....
I tried this, and wow it is hard to put pressure on a ball into the facing without creating a slight rotation, of which of course that rolled the other ball into the pocket. And then I realized I can not push the cue ball into the facing, for it is not allowed to disturb the cue ball.bob jewett followed up with this
In my view the "vertical projection" idea in the CSI/BCAPL rules quoted above is unclear and broken. I think a better rule is the way it is written in the WPA rules:
A ball near the brink of a pocket partly supported by another ball is considered pocketed if removal of the supporting ball would cause the ball to fall into the pocket.
If two balls are locked, and it is not obvious that they are keeping each other from dropping, test by pressing one of the balls back into the facing of the pocket. If the other ball moves towards or into the pocket, it is pocketed. Then release the pressed ball and see if it drops. Of course some care is required.
The WPA rule also takes care of full pockets.
Thanks Billy for the compliment. I was wondering if I hit as you remember Mark Tad hitting it.I saw Mark Tad doing that piquet shot with just a shaft once. Never seen it made on a pool table with a full cue, but it's probably possible. The ball was going out about 3 or 4 inches, if I remember correctly and then coming back. He was doing it effortlessly while talking to someone. My memory sucks but I don't remember him being at 90degrees or anything , more like 75, doesn't seem logical but thats what I remember. He was hitting it so soft , I doubt the cueball would have went much more than the length of the table, if it even made it, if he hit it on a level plane.
Thanks Hank for the 5 stars, and glad you got a chuckle, for sometimes I too get a good chuckle from these posts, and it makes a good start for the day!Whitey. Howdy;
Got a good chuckle watchin' you shoot the shot. 5 Stars!!
You were more elevated. He was at 75 degrees or so and was only hitting the ball hard enough to go possibly 8 feet . AS I said ,he was only using a shaft , I don't know the dynamics of a full cue, The cueball went out about double yours and zipped back. But would not have had enough pace to scratch, after hitting the full ball, just like you did not. You used the same stroke Mosconi did on his trick to make a ball off the bottom rail go out and up and make a ball on the side rail in the same pocket. I wish I could go mess with it again ,I remember trying years ago and not having much success. I wonder if it is like when we all started to learn to draw the cueball, I hit the balls so hard they would fly all over the pool room. When you finally get it , it's just a soft stroke , well delivered.Thanks Billy for the compliment. I was wondering if I hit as you remember Mark Tad hitting it.
I know it is not the same but you could put down an old hunk of cloth while learning the shot , that saves some real wear and tear on it over time.Thanks Hank for the 5 stars, and glad you got a chuckle, for sometimes I too get a good chuckle from these posts, and it makes a good start for the day!
After watching the world championship between Rudolph and Greenleaf, and Rudolph does that little baby masse' to pocket the ball, and Ronnie Allen on the highlight reel from Johnston City doing the same. I decided to practice it first thing everyday, it appears it paid off!
But, what is nice in doing this baby masse' is that the cb is hanging over the edge of the pocket and thus when the cue goes through it hits nothing but air instead of tearing the cloth. I have a few tears in it already from masse's, lol!
That's why I cannot change the cloth, to much to do and to much to learn, and I'd sure not like tearing a new cloth.