Who was the most overrated player you ever saw play?
I don't think you're going to get much "positive" action on this thread.
But I believe that Dennis has an opinion on this one, and actually I would be interested in hearing what he has to say. [SIZE="2"[SIZE="2"]]Freddie may even chime in, could be the right opening that he's been waiting for. Then you know who's following Freddies post. You never can tell any more...what is gonna happen.
No no!! Kidding. Really. Like truly.
If SJD would actually get some press one day, i'd vote for him. Wait, didn't he just get inducted
Ha, everyone know I love the Duck's game.
My honest to god answer is Efren. How much better was he than Parica, or Buddy or Worst etc.... maybe 1 or 2% better at best?? But, when he gets talked about, it is like he is the holy highness of pooldom. So, sticking to my thought about % better. If you had to say how much better, percentage wise, Efren played than the other greats, then listen to how they get talked about relative to him, there is quite the discord there. That is my answer and i'm sticking to it.
Agreed. I watched him several times and not once did he make a ball I couldn't make. He never shot any hard shots.
Excerpt from my book. The GosPool:
I did a few road runs with Port Chester Mickey Carpinello, along with Sugar Shack Johnny. Mickey was a heroin addict. He would stay burrowed, deeply, into his dope world for years, never playing a game of pool. He would emerge periodically, when "Sugar Shack" Johnny Novak and myself traveled to Port Chester, NY and dragged him out of his drug world and took him with us on the road.
While on the road, Mickey would go "cold turkey" and stay in the room for weeks kicking his habit. "Sugar Shack" insisted that Mickey must be totally straight while he was with us. It usually took about 30 days for Mickey to become a human being again.
After about three weeks, Mickey would start practicing diligently for hours every day. Two weeks of hard practice and he would be ready. Then we would turn him loose on the 9 Ball pool world. Nobody knew Mickey, so he went through the best players wherever he played like a chain saw going through butter. It was a massacre.
When Mickey was straight he had no bad habits. He didn't drink or smoke and could play for hours on cup of coffee and a candy bar.
Mickey's position play was so flawless that it seemed that he never had a hard shot. I once told him, and this is where the "overrated" part comes in, "I'm not sure if you can really play! You beat everybody, you're never in trouble, but all you ever shoot is hangers."I kinda meant it. I never got to see him shoot under pressure.
How good did Mickey really play? Good enough to sneak up on Wade "Boom
Boom" Crane, aka, "Billy Johnson" in Atlanta in the sixties, when Billy only
missed an average of one ball a week playing 9 Ball. Robbed Squirrel (Marshall Carpenter) in Tuscaloosa, AL playing 9 Ball (lost it back trying to play 1pkt with a spot).
When he was off the drugs, Mickey was a clear minded philosopher whose views on any subject were worth recording. With that in mind, I once asked him, "Mickey, with a mind like you have, with such a clear, pure perspective on everything, how the hell could you become a lifetime heroin junkie?" His reply was a typical Mickeyism, "When I am on heroin, my mind is not so clear."
All things must come to an end. After a few months of looting and pillaging top players, we would wake up one morning and Mickey would be gone. Gone back to Port Chester with his winnings. Gone back to the dope world. Back with freshly healed veins, where the dope, for the first week at least, would actually feel good. Back to no pool and anonymity for a few more years, until "Sugar Shack" and myself would dredge him up again and repeat the ritual.
Mickey was a protege of William "Sailor" Barge
bosten shorty. he won a bunch of tournys but when playing he missed more balls that werent tough than anyone ever. although i didnt see him before the 1960's so he may have been getting past his prime but i think billiards was his best game.
preacher red. never seemed to take down the cash against a player.
joe veasey. besides being one of the all time creeps in pool he didnt really play that well.
cisero murphy he was a hell of a guy but only get rated so high as he was the first black man making the news in pool. he did play top notch straight pool but way below the top ones at his time.
and all the chicago guys while they were in chicago . just had to put that one in.
Funny for me to see Shorty here. He was from my area, but I only met him in the 80's -- and he was still playing pretty good even then. At that time what I saw is he still played good enough 9-ball to compete in the regional tournaments. He continued to play right up until he died in 2000, just a few weeks after he played in his last tournament, Grady's World One Pocket event in Portland, ME.it was about overrated. and cisero was in my book. but of course he was a great straight pool player.
shorty was overrated in the 60's but i have no clue as to the 50's where he was probably a monster player as you do get a reputation from somewhere.