mr3cushion
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One little question, for those that rather give up the break than balls, why do most events make the breaker rerack the balls if one is made on the break?
It is to protect against manipulating the rack for an added advantage when playing "rack your own". Introducing the "rerack" rule here in a discussion evaluating or comparing two different spots for matching up is like comparing pears and bananas.........One little question, for those that rather give up the break than balls, why do most events make the breaker rerack the balls if one is made on the break?
That statement is ridiculous! Any grown men/players know how to check the rack where they can both agree it's fine! If that is Your reason, you need to play a better class of players! Take that up with the OP.It is to protect against manipulating the rack for an added advantage when playing "rack your own". Introducing the "rerack" rule here in a discussion evaluating or comparing two different spots for matching up is like comparing pears and bananas.........
I think you're right, Sheldon. For the pros, getting the break is less of an advantage than with amateurs. Seems to me I tallied what percentage of the time that the breaker won in a series of pro matches. I believe it was about 55% of the time-- maybe a little more often. But for amateurs it's probably more like 65%.With the people I play, and even with the pros, if you look at the win/loss statistics and how often the breaker wins, it usually favors the breaker less than you'd think it should. My thinking is that giving up balls might be a bigger factor.
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I'll take a 5%-15% edge every time I play!I think you're right, Sheldon. For the pros, getting the break is less of an advantage than with amateurs. Seems to me I tallied what percentage of the time that the breaker won in a series of pro matches. I believe it was about 55% of the time-- maybe a little more often. But for amateurs it's probably more like 65%.
You might very well be right. The possibility of a manipulated rack may have been a large consideration for spotting a made ball on the break. But IMO the best reason is that pocketing a ball on the break is pure luck, whereas 1P is supposed to be a game of skill. The breaker already has an advantage, so he should not have the added excess advantage of getting a lucky ball --and potential runout-- on the break.It is to protect against manipulating the rack for an added advantage when playing "rack your own". Introducing the "rerack" rule here in a discussion evaluating or comparing two different spots for matching up is like comparing pears and bananas.........
Doc; not as much luck as you might think of hanging or making a ball on the break! Just like in all games, it's a part of the whole that has to be practiced! 9/10 ball players practice the break by the hours, is it luck if they make a ball? I think not. In 1P, just like in straight pool, the break is a, 'controlled offensive/defensive' break.You might very well be right. The possibility of a manipulated rack may have been a large consideration for spotting a made ball on the break. But IMO the best reason is that pocketing a ball on the break is pure luck, whereas 1P is supposed to be a game of skill. The breaker already has an advantage, so he should not have the added excess advantage of getting a lucky ball --and potential runout-- on the break.
55% of the time rotating the breaks, let one of those good players break all the time and you'll see a different %I think you're right, Sheldon. For the pros, getting the break is less of an advantage than with amateurs. Seems to me I tallied what percentage of the time that the breaker won in a series of pro matches. I believe it was about 55% of the time-- maybe a little more often. But for amateurs it's probably more like 65%.
....and if that statement were true we'd still be playing like we played for decades, opponent racks for the breaker. Rack your own would never have become a "thing", first in the rotation games and then in one pocket....That statement is ridiculous! Any grown men/players know how to check the rack where they can both agree it's fine! If that is Your reason, you need to play a better class of players! Take that up with the OP.
I play a match with the same opponent a couple times a month and we generally play 10 - 15 hours and we usually make it on the break 4-6 times between us both. One night a couple months back I made one on the break 11 times and once four times in a row and he never made it. My back was tired from all the extra racking. LOLDoc; not as much luck as you might think of hanging or making a ball on the break! Just like in all games, it's a part of the whole that has to be practiced! 9/10 ball players practice the break by the hours, is it luck if they make a ball? I think not. In 1P, just like in straight pool, the break is a, 'controlled offensive/defensive' break.
You might very well be right. The possibility of a manipulated rack may have been a large consideration for spotting a made ball on the break. But IMO the best reason is that pocketing a ball on the break is pure luck, whereas 1P is supposed to be a game of skill. The breaker already has an advantage, so he should not have the added excess advantage of getting a lucky ball --and potential runout-- on the break.
100% And, getting out of the break is a practiced skill also. In the course of dozens of breaks, there is always this same shot that pops up when the break is hit a little too hard. Anyone know what that shot is?I play a match with the same opponent a couple times a month and we generally play 10 - 15 hours and we usually make it on the break 4-6 times between us both. One night a couple months back I made one on the break 11 times and once four times in a row and he never made it. My back was tired from all the extra racking. LOL
I think it is a skill to get it close and maybe a little luck to make it, kind of like putts over 25 feet.
-don
It is to protect against manipulating the rack for an added advantage when playing "rack your own". Introducing the "rerack" rule here in a discussion evaluating or comparing two different spots for matching up is like comparing pears and bananas.........
They don't, period! All they do is, make sure the opposite, 'end ball' doesn't jump out of the stack!I would like anyone to show me how they can manipulate the rack to make a ball or even improve the spread.
Lou Figueroa
The standard Straight Pool break as I know it is strictly a defensive shot. I practiced that break a great deal 30 years ago.just like in straight pool, the break is a, 'controlled offensive/defensive' break.