SJDinPHX
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A point well taken...I hope !
A point well taken...I hope !
For those who did not peruse the entire thread, allow me to call attention to what can happen, when you become TOO immersed in the miniscule world, that is "insider pool"...In arguing a point, some tend to make VERY irrational statements, no matter what their I.Q..Or their side in the debate...Several quotes in this this Thread, WILL bear that out..
PS..I hope all my effort's, in presenting this encapsulation, do not fall, on more then a FEW deaf ear's...As many of these FACTS, were totally ignored by some..
Here are just a few responses, there were several more like these--
My response to Grey Ghost..
By the way, Where's Jay ? He has been noticably absent, since his 'faux paus'...C'mon back Jay..I thought I had made a mistake once...But I was wrong...
A point well taken...I hope !
For those who did not peruse the entire thread, allow me to call attention to what can happen, when you become TOO immersed in the miniscule world, that is "insider pool"...In arguing a point, some tend to make VERY irrational statements, no matter what their I.Q..Or their side in the debate...Several quotes in this this Thread, WILL bear that out..
PS..I hope all my effort's, in presenting this encapsulation, do not fall, on more then a FEW deaf ear's...As many of these FACTS, were totally ignored by some..
In his prime (the 60's, 70's and 80's), Minnesota Fats (Wanderone) was as well known as Gleason and just as recognizable.
Here are just a few responses, there were several more like these--
SJDinPHX 35423 said:Quote:
Originally Posted by SJDinPHX
Jay,
That also appears to mean, you have immersed yourself in that world, so much, as to be blinded to the fact, that just because YOU and I, and everybody in the "pool world" knew Fats, EVERYBODY must know him.
You stated, "The world knew him as well as a guy, like Jackie Gleason", who was a real, live icon as a celebrity for almost his entire life. I can't believe you made that statement.
LFigueroa said:For anyone to claim that Fats was as known and/or as recognizable as Gleason is, well, more than a little over the top.
For decades, Gleason was a music, television, and movie star, loved by millions.
Fats was a pool hustler.
Lou Figueroa
let's try and keep
things in perspective
GreyGhost said:I agree he probably never would have become a household name if it were not for the hustler....but regardless we would have still been talking about the Fat Man today with or without movie. Just because Titanic tomson was not in a movie don't make him any less Titanic to the people versed in the game/hustle/history of billiards as a whole. He did not just ride the movie to glory....the man made it happen on his own right just as much as the movie helped him IMOP
My response to Grey Ghost..
SJDinPHX said:GG man, I don't think you realize, you just re-enforced what I've been saying all along.
"Titanic was not in a movie, and that don't make him any less Titanic... TO THE PEOPLE VERSED IN THE GAME/HUSTLE/HISTORY of billiards as a whole" ...those are your own words.
Your words are very true...no one is talking about people, "versed in the game"...Of course "WE" all knew who Titanic and Fat's were. You have got to wake up to the fact that "WE" are a very, very, small minority, and NO ONE outside of "US" would ever have heard of Minnesota Fat's had it not been for a highly successful movie, with big name stars, that the public adored.
The movie was more about life and morality anyway... pool was just a vehicle to tell the story, just like "The Raging Bull" used boxing.....Titanic (who was never even known for his pool skills) WAS a legend to you and me...and guy's like US, but he died in relative obscurity...NO ONE EVER MADE A GOOD MOVIE, with big name stars
SJDinPHX said:Exerpt from Tom Fox story on Fat's...
"And this regarding Wanderone's Minnesota Fats hoax from JoAnn Jansco: "We were sitting in the J & J, and Fats was playing pool with my dad, recalled JoAnn. David asked me where the movie was playing, and my dad said it was at the drive-in the Egyptian, out in Heron, Illinois. And then my dad told Fats --and I'll never forget this-- my dad said, 'You ought to go over there and set up a stand and claim to be Minnesota Fats ...He just kept telling him and telling him, said JoAnn. Wanderone, by then, had resided in little Egypt for nearly two decades. he was semiretired, well past his prime, had very little money. In fact, he was broke just as often as not. he'd spent his life as a pool hustler but had very little to show for it. 'Go out there,' hissed Jansco. 'Just go out there. Do it'."
Does that sound like a guy who was an "on top of the world" celebrity in 1961 ?...Not to anybody I know it doesn't.
I do emphatically agree...NO ONE could have got more milage, out of what he was basically "kissed into",...than Fatty.
By the way, Where's Jay ? He has been noticably absent, since his 'faux paus'...C'mon back Jay..I thought I had made a mistake once...But I was wrong...
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