Tennessee Joe6
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Then his next shot is to roll in...
Then his next shot is to roll in...
I believe you passed up the better option with playing the 5 into the 9ball. This option could very possibly position a ball close to your pocket near the bottom rail that will be protected. As long as you protect the 7ball there isn't much your opponent can do to you to break down your position and the execution needed to protect the 7ball is almost automatic. This option can easily win you the game in the next inning when you come back to the table. Plus you have moved both the 5ball and 9ball from his side to a more advantageous position for the shooter.Absolutely bro....word for word, that was my thinking, and that's what I shot = simple to execute, removes his most makeable ball, and with an excellent positional result guaranteed...
Conversely, as vapros/Bill said re. the concern with moving parts, and not knowing where the balls are going - the different shots mentioned of knocking the 1 and 9 around and staying behind the 11 could work out - but also, those shots could very easily end up with a ball ending up on the foot rail or the long rail that your opponent can see - which he will then bank into balls to either clear out your side, or turn things around on you.
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I believe you passed up the better option with playing the 5 into the 9ball. This option could very possibly position a ball close to your pocket near the bottom rail that will be protected. As long as you protect the 7ball there isn't much your opponent can do to you to break down your position and the execution needed to protect the 7ball is almost automatic. This option can easily win you the game in the next inning when you come back to the table. Plus you have moved both the 5ball and 9ball from his side to a more advantageous position for the shooter.
The option you chose was simple to execute but leaves holes for your opponent to wiggle out of to eventually create an up table game. For instance, he can bank the 6ball toward the 9ball to create some positive action toward his pocket while positioning the cue ball on top of the 2ball swinging two cushions, a shot you are very familiar with. IMO, your choice was conservative, (in terms of the expected result) and I believe the more aggressive thinking with the 5-9ball combination greatly increases your chances of winning from this superior position.
Dr. Bill
Very well put Tom. I mentioned that when playing the shot if you are uncomfortable with trying to freeze or position the cue ball on the 11ball you can easily stop it and use the 11ball to the fullest in protecting the 7ball. Even though we may not know where the balls are going we do know where they're not going. That is one of the strengths of the shot. To me, it's like your free-rolling to really lock your opponent up while strengthening your position.I like this shot too, Bill. This shot can also be played very aggressively by shooting the five directly towards the nine and drawing the cue ball back to the side rail using the eleven as a blocker. Who knows, the various caroms which will take place may just send a ball into your pocket. I can see with a little bit of luck that happening here. Five, into the nine, nine into the three, three off the thirteen and into the twelve, twelve into the hole and "Cheese Please!" Either way, everything is moving forward. Just as we like it!
I"m not as big a fan as those of you who wish to roll up on the eleven, even while compromising the speed. Two reasons; Ghost may be right and the five may lay along the foot rail giving the opponent a way out. And why try to be cute here with the cue ball. As we all know, that backfires sometimes.
Tom
Definitely roll the 2 in.
To answer opg's shot-Why wouldnt the incoming player just shoot in the 11 ?I believe you passed up the better option with playing the 5 into the 9ball. This option could very possibly position a ball close to your pocket near the bottom rail that will be protected. As long as you protect the 7ball there isn't much your opponent can do to you to break down your position and the execution needed to protect the 7ball is almost automatic. This option can easily win you the game in the next inning when you come back to the table. Plus you have moved both the 5ball and 9ball from his side to a more advantageous position for the shooter.
The option you chose was simple to execute but leaves holes for your opponent to wiggle out of to eventually create an up table game. For instance, he can bank the 6ball toward the 9ball to create some positive action toward his pocket while positioning the cue ball on top of the 2ball swinging two cushions, a shot you are very familiar with. IMO, your choice was conservative, (in terms of the expected result) and I believe the more aggressive thinking with the 5-9ball combination greatly increases your chances of winning from this superior position.
Dr. Bill
Are you kidding me, I needed a laugh! The Ghost, and Tom are saying to stay away from this shot, and Dr. Bill saying if you can not control the cb to lay up on the 11 then just draw it on a line behind the 11, so he's recognizing the talent required to pull this off. This is high end stuff!!!!!That shot sticking him on the 11 is way to strong to pass. Don't even think about anything but sticking him, on that line between the corner and side.
I like what I heard buddy hall say a time or two, if you can't control your cb almost perfectly by following the cb a short distance you need to stop playing pool.
I just took a hard look at this again and wouldn't change my choice.That 5 has to be a 98% full hit, which means it is going into the 9 pretty fully, so where is the speed coming from to catch a rail, plus cb has to gently nestle up against the 11.
If you feel you have the ability to do this shot, more power to ya!I just took a hard look at this again and wouldn't change my choice.
A solid 98% hit on the 5 will impart enough momentum for that 9 to carom the 3 and get to the rail at 2.5 diamonds up.
To be sure, the play on the CB is touchy, but it is gauge-able. Enough so that I would be more comfortable with that shot than many others.
just roll onto the 11 i dont even care where the five and nine go just stick him, even if you have to foul.
That shot sticking him on the 11 is way to strong to pass. Don't even think about anything but sticking him
Are you kidding me, I needed a laugh! This is high end stuff!!!!!
Just how are you going to stroke the cb to get enough speed on the object balls to catch a rail and still gently roll up on the 11 to also protect from a return shot off the 5. I'd like to see it!
Unless you are taking an intentional, which is ridiculous.
That 5 has to be a 98% full hit, which means it is going into the 9 pretty fully, so where is the speed coming from to catch a rail, plus cb has to gently nestle up against the 11.
This shot is not kiddy land, this takes a lot of knowledge to pull off. This is one of the most challenging shots to come up in any of these wwyds.
I guess I need to stop playing pool. I am still laughing! Whitey
Look this is What Would You Do, Dr. Bill has the skill to do this shot, and others that picked this shot either have it, or have mis-judged this shot.whitey
if I told you it doesn’t matter if you get a rail
would that put the difficulty of the shot as doable for you?
taking a foul and protecting your position I don’t think it’s a bad trade off
do you?
Thanks for the reply whiteyLook this is What Would You Do, Dr. Bill has the skill to do this shot, and others that picked this shot either have it, or have mis-judged this shot.
To answer your question; I believe this would be better addressed to those that have more experience than I. But, IMO you would be putting yourself in a very worst position even though you are moving the 5 and 9 that are scoring balls for the opponent, you now have put yourself lock up behind the 11 and sooner or later you are going to have to shoot your way out of there, and then how are you going to protect your balls combined with not selling out. Whitey
Seeing your play in so many videos, I have a strong respect for your abilities and your perspective - so; I'm not saying you're wrong - just looking for some more dialogue about it and stating my impressions based on the photos. I'd love to set it up and try it, but alas - not happening right now.and after trying the shot, I'd be interested in your results. I'd have to see a video.
I set it up and could not come close
thanks for your reply, it is well taken and respected. I hope the pool halls open up for you soon. Our bars and our one pool hall opened up quite a few weeks ago, but it was just last Friday that they allowed the pool tables to be open. I am still laying low for I am a high risk. take care! WhiteySeeing your play in so many videos, I have a strong respect for your abilities and your perspective - so; I'm not saying you're wrong - just looking for some more dialogue about it and stating my impressions based on the photos. I'd love to set it up and try it, but alas - not happening right now.
It's been so long since I've picked up my stick, I'm beginning to question whether I could even hit the cue-ball anymore.