Finally started making the shot, both 2 rails and 3 rails. I was surprised to see that I got more turn on the OB when the CB was below the OB (closer to the rail than the OB). I would've thought that cutting across the OB from a wider angle would impart more spin to the OB. For example it seems to me that Dr. Dave showed that a half ball hit imparted the maximum amount of side spin to an OB. But, at least on my rather wet Diamond Pro Am with blue label cushions, I got more action from below the OB.Cut it a hair more with less inside, maybe a half a tip of inside and a dead stunned cb.
Look at the long rail pocket point in relation to the center of the object ball in the original shot. Thats how you can tell how far off the bottom rail it is. Looks to me like its sitting even with the center of the object ball. None of your shots have been lined up close to that.John and Kybanks,
I thought I set it up exactly like Gary's shot, but on the side pocket. I even moved the ob and centered it on the point to make it easier.
In my original video I cut the ob to the left. John did a nice shot of course but he is going across the ball not cutting it to the left.
I'll double check the measurement to see if I missed emulating Gary's shot at the side pocket. We can envision the far side pocket point as being the foot rail.
Whitey
Finally started making the shot, both 2 rails and 3 rails. I was surprised to see that I got more turn on the OB when the CB was below the OB (closer to the rail than the OB). I would've thought that cutting across the OB from a wider angle would impart more spin to the OB. For example it seems to me that Dr. Dave showed that a half ball hit imparted the maximum amount of side spin to an OB. But, at least on my rather wet Diamond Pro Am with blue label cushions, I got more action from below the OB.
Doc, you seem to understand Gary's shot, and the fact that I duplicated his shot. You seem to understand that the ob is cut to left and then gears back and the spin that takes over is conducive to coming off the opposite side and enabling the ob to be pocket.Finally started making the shot, both 2 rails and 3 rails. I was surprised to see that I got more turn on the OB when the CB was below the OB (closer to the rail than the OB). I would've thought that cutting across the OB from a wider angle would impart more spin to the OB. For example it seems to me that Dr. Dave showed that a half ball hit imparted the maximum amount of side spin to an OB. But, at least on my rather wet Diamond Pro Am with blue label cushions, I got more action from below the OB.
John and Kybanks,
I thought I set it up exactly like Gary's shot, but on the side pocket. I even moved the ob and centered it on the point to make it easier.
In my original video I cut the ob to the left. John did a nice shot of course but he is going across the ball not cutting it to the left.
I'll double check the measurement to see if I missed emulating Gary's shot at the side pocket. We can envision the far side pocket point as being the foot rail.
If you upload something to YouTube, even if you delete it from your camera, it will live online forever unless you go into YouTube and delete the video from there too.I had my daughter show me how to load videos. It is different than other do it, for if I accidently delete it, then it is gone forever, from this site, utube, everywhere.
This has happened a few times. The back-door bank is now gone. I never felt like re-doing it. Although it is an original bank, I do not believe anyone else every did it before I did it.
thanks, Whitey
Take a video with your phone or camera and then put it on youtube. If you have a Google account, you already have a YouTube account since they own it. Log in and upload the video from your phone or PC (if using a camera).Whitey, if I knew how to upload a video, I would shoot some 2 and three times cross sides. The one you have set up in your video will only go 3 times. Some tables wont let that ball turn.
Doc, you seem to understand Gary's shot, and the fact that I duplicated his shot. You seem to understand that the ob is cut to left and then gears back and the spin that takes over is conducive to coming off the opposite side and enabling the ob to be pocket.
It appears John and kybanks do not agree, or there is some confusion.
I set up Gary's shot similar to it at the side pocket, to represent just how my cushions do not except the gear on the ob, where my cushions are more lively.
Can you help straighten out this confusion!
thanks,
No, I made it with the ob approx. 1-7/8" or less than 2" off of the foot rail, w/ the edge of the ob just past the foot rail point about 1/4" - 3/8".Whitey, I believe the confusion is where you think the object ball is cross corner. The object ball is at least a ball width off the end rail or it wouldn't pass on this shot. Therefore copying this exact cross corner to cross side may not work because side pockets are larger and the exact line to the rail may be different.
Yeah, I had to bang it pretty good to get it to the hole. Not quite break speed, but near to it.So I set several 2 and 3 times cross sides and cross corners and long railers. They all go except the 3 times long railer, because I cant hit it hard enough from distance. It goes if I'm close to it but I don't generate the speed like I use to. Video will be coming when I get some time, Stay tuned! Lol
I am envious as hell!! I'll have to work on these shots. I can bury the 2-3 rail cross side version (except a LOT tougher on the klematch cushioned tables), but have never been able to make the corner pocket versions, either short or long. It seems like I should start by trying them on a short banking table though, preferably with worn cloth.Exactly and I can turn a ball way better from quite a bit lower on a diamond when I can swing my cue harder. Plus the table is foot wider with good felt and live rails.
You just need to have shot them a bunch to get the feel for the shot.. If you play bank at all these are pretty common shots you learn along your journey. I played banks in a bank pool room for 20 yrs. Still a old guy B player though
New cloth is too slick to play those banks.. Broke in new cloth giddyup. The key is to trust the shot. It just doesn't look like it will work when you shoot it because you are shooting away from the hole...lolI am envious as hell!! I'll have to work on these shots. I can bury the 2-3 rail cross side version (except a LOT tougher on the klematch cushioned tables), but have never been able to make the corner pocket versions, either short or long. It seems like I should start by trying them on a short banking table though, preferably with worn cloth.
You guys talking about seeing these anks at Derby -- especially if you are seeing them the first few days of Banks -- that means they were performed with new cloth, because that is how the Derby generally runs, with a good many of the tables having brand new cloth. Not all, but a lot of them, right? So these guys were making those shots on pretty new cloth -- but obviously Diamond tables.