Anyone other than me consider banking the 5 in my hole and playing the cue 3 rails to take out the 7? It doesn't look like you could scratch if you hit long rail first.?
Or just bank the 5 and play shape on the one. Having not playing this game till my early sixties, it didn't even occur to me. Now in Houston with humidity as it is, seems like a very difficult shot to control especially on older rag with dirt on the rail nose being totally unpredictable. In pool it always seems like I can scratch![]()
Anyone other than me consider banking the 5 in my hole and playing the cue 3 rails to take out the 7? It doesn't look like you could scratch if you hit long rail first.
The 7 ball is not a problem yet. The problem is the location of the cueball. Try to bump the 12 if you can and not take a foul but if you get it behind the 12 it'll be much harder for him to put it back where it was. If he just hits the 1 and puts you right back then it's nothing lost and maybe position gained. Kicking at the 7 is useless, extend the game one more shot and see what happens.
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If Efren were left in this position he would not even consider banking the 1 or kicking 1, 3 or 4 rails at the 7 (too much DD commentary). He would do something simple and effective like kick behind the 12 and then he'd sit down and let you shoot. Why do any less to him?
Good players who are suggesting banking the 1, 5 or kicking at the 7 are doing a disservice to the newbs here. There is one correct and very simple shot here, shoot it and sit down.
Dennis
If you can bank the 1 ball and still get behind the 12 where you are saying to kick it to, why not shoot it?
You would have to hit the 1 very hard from this position to put the cueball behind the 12. If you made the 1 you would be in trouble and if you missed it it would be flying all over the place. The bank on the 1 is no shot.
Think what would Efren do from here?
It's like there's some kind of group-think on this forum and nobody can think for themselves anymore. What do you think AB or SJD or Freddie would do? They would not be banking the 1 ball or kicking at the 7 ball.
Remember this; You are not even in trouble in this layout and everybody is acting like the apocalypse is upon us.
Dennis
The 7 ball is not a problem yet. The problem is the location of the cueball. Try to bump the 12 if you can and not take a foul but if you get it behind the 12 it'll be much harder for him to put it back where it was. If he just hits the 1 and puts you right back then it's nothing lost and maybe position gained. Kicking at the 7 is useless, extend the game one more shot and see what happens.
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The 7 ball is not a problem yet. The problem is the location of the cueball. Try to bump the 12 if you can and not take a foul but if you get it behind the 12 it'll be much harder for him to put it back where it was. If he just hits the 1 and puts you right back then it's nothing lost and maybe position gained. Kicking at the 7 is useless, extend the game one more shot and see what happens.
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Not to pick, but Doc first mentioned this shot in post #4...I like hacker's shot of getting behind the 12 after banking the 1 ball if the angle is on...
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Let's say you kick gently behind the twelve and hit it good and don't foul, but Efen then just nudges the cue ball and freezes you wedged between the rail and twelve. What do you do then?
JB,
Leaving the cueball and 12 close enough to where he could do that is only one of several possible outcomes. If it happened then the game goes on, as always. It's not the end of the world. He could also leave me a takeout on the 5/7 balls.
Dennis
The 7 ball is not a problem yet. The problem is the location of the cueball. Try to bump the 12 if you can and not take a foul but if you get it behind the 12 it'll be much harder for him to put it back where it was. If he just hits the 1 and puts you right back then it's nothing lost and maybe position gained. Kicking at the 7 is useless, extend the game one more shot and see what happens.
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JB,
Leaving the cueball and 12 close enough to where he could do that is only one of several possible outcomes. If it happened then the game goes on, as always. It's not the end of the world. He could also leave me a takeout on the 5/7 balls.
Dennis
You would lose the battle with Efren 100 out of 100 times with this shot selection. You seem to think that kicking is some kind of hail mary shot..it isn't.
The guy playing Efren in this particular match did try to bank the 1, and draw into the stack. It turned out like this due to the speed needed to bank the 1.
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fred bentivegna said:Guys that try to shoot their way out of everything. Too proud to use their brain and try to think thru the situation. Like I said, guys like this, after I broke them they would go on two week drunks or dope binges.
Beard