Derby Role Call

crabbcatjohn

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Me and Chris are sharing a Air B&B. Its right by Railyard...
Kids up there just got the flu and my sister didnt want to risk it so I originally cancelled going to DCC entirely yesterday. But Chris called this morning and we got a house so its all good again.... Looking forward to seeing everybody.
 

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Dang.. my buddy just told me all events are filled. I thought they never capped number of entries. Figures I get cleared and can't play...if any of you know anyone who wants to sell their entry let me know, tx!
 

crabbcatjohn

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Im not playing in the tournament. First time in over 10 yrs I've been here and not played but I thought i would try it without the scheduling hassle.
Just here for a little action and watching this go round..
Forgot to get some wwyd shots this afternoon. Me and Cincy played a 3 hour session at Railyard..
Back at the house chillin. Its 5 mins away from the pool room.. Chris's first match is at 9pm so we will head over that way in a bit. Left my truck there
Saw Tom is on the one pocket list...
 

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Im not playing in the tournament. First time in over 10 yrs I've been here and not played but I thought i would try it without the scheduling hassle.
Just here for a little action and watching this go round..
Forgot to get some wwyd shots this afternoon. Me and Cincy played a 3 hour session at Railyard..
Back at the house chillin. Its 5 mins away from the pool room.. Chris's first match is at 9pm so we will head over that way in a bit. Left my truck there
Saw Tom is on the one pocket list...

John...out of curiosity, and also for future reference...what was the price for the house rental?
 

crabbcatjohn

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John...out of curiosity, and also for future reference...what was the price for the house rental?
340 total for 2 nights. 2 bed 2 bath. First time for me but Cincy is a pro. Nice to have seperate bdrms and a full kitchen so I would do it again over a similar price hotel.
 

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Cincy's Write-Up

Well, I signed up in November, then cancelled in December when I had my eye surgery then just a few days before it starts I get cleared to go so I try to get signed up and everything is full. Luckily, I was able to get in after all so I was thrilled to go.

Of course, got no sleep the night before in excitement / anticipation per my usual and after tossing and turning from midnight to 4 AM I decide to just get up and start the chores. Finish packing/getting ready and I head out about 7 AM. It started snowing just an hour or so earlier and coming down hard. With the cataract in my left eye and recovering in my right eye, I am no fan of driving at night or in any precipitation, but I head out to try and get going before it gets worse. Not many cars on the road and on my way I saw 4 cops alongside cars off the side of the road and 2 where the cops had not gotten there yet...was scary lol.

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I arrive at the casino about 10 AM with no incidents and was happy to be done with the drive. I get to the counter, get my entry paid and start the usual walk around the place like the main tournament area, upstairs tournament area, gambling rooms, etc. I saw Dustin (Miller), chatted with him for a bit, saw Neil (Jalapus Logan) and met a couple of his buddies. I saw fellow member Clay Carmen playing a match in the banks tournament when I first walked in and then I saw a couple buddies upstairs warming up for one pocket so I was able to hop in and play a little with them while we were waiting for the player meeting / player draw.

I hope someone else will chime in here in case I have this wrong or want to add to it, but they used a couple peculiar rules (in my opinion), that I had not heard before. One was something about, when you are lining up your cue ball with ball in hand, if you use anything besides your hands to do so, like your stick/ferrule/tip - it's a foul and your opponent gets ball in hand behind the line. Don't know where that came from but, ok... You also cant jump the cue off the table, which I like that rule. I think there was another one or 2 things they added but I was upstairs hitting balls and not listening as intently as I could have.

When warming up, the tighter pockets were alarmingly apparent. They have always had 4.5" and at home I have 4.5" so I could definitely tell with a lot of balls I missed. I am sure it's mostly mental because if you aim for center it wont matter lol...

I do poor in warm up and then they do the draw and I am TBD on all the above (opponent, table, time). It says if your are TBD, you wont play before 5PM and it's like 12:30 so I head back downstairs and called Crabb to see how close he was, he had just gotten there in the parking lot so we end up driving back to Louisville and grabbing some lunch. The AirBnB I chose was one close to Railyard Billiards knowing we could play some. So after lunch we head there and probably played about 3 hours. They also have the tighter 4.25" pockets so I was glad to be able to warm up more on the same size.

We start off and I am playing pretty good. We go back and forth me up 1, even, me up 1, even. I am always checking the live schedule to see when they update me from TBD to a time and see who I play. Finally updates around 4ish and my first match is at 9 PM against someone I had not heard of before (Archie Hinton). So about halfway through the next game we say lets play this one and one more and then go take off, check in to our room, etc. He wins both games and comes up 2 games winner (I will get you next time crabbman!) :) - No, but really, good playing bro.

We head to the room, it was nice for the money, we each had our own bedroom and bathroom, kitchen, living room with large screen, back porch sitting area, off street parking. After unpacking, snacking, watching some tube and getting ready, we head back out, I stop grab a quick bite before my match and we get back to the casino around 8PM. Once I checked out the table availability, I walk back out into the casino and see Crabb with Dustin, Chicago Mike and got to meet Lou (who knew all about the retina surgery I had as his wife just went thru it). I forgot to snap a pic, wish I would have! I go to my table upstairs and watch some of the matches going on as I wait for my table to open so I can hit a few balls before my opponent arrives.

I also saw and chatted briefly with KollegeDave as he, along with Mike, John and Dustin, came up to watch my match.

The previous match on my assigned table ended up going late so my opponent and I used the table right next to it which opened up to play. Turns out Archie is from the Parkersburg, WV area and he had come with some friends who also played. When I first saw that I didn't have to play like Filler or Alex or anyone I knew by name and reputation, I was optimistic of my chances. After I saw Archie's first few shots, I knew I had no chance, lol. Even if I was playing my best game and potting balls well, I probably need 9-6 or something (and probably more). He played pretty good, great CB control and came up with some pretty good shots. When your opponent plays bad like I did, it makes it easier for him, but I take nothing away from him, he is a very good player. I lost 3-0 pretty quick and was just very frustrated overall at my performance. None of the new aiming techniques I was trying to practice came into play. Listening to the audio book "the inner game of tennis" post surgery, did not come into play. It was like everything went out the door and I was a beginner level player again.

I head downstairs and do my buy-back and decide to just head back to the room. During the drive I am reflecting. After warming up poorly, then losing to John, then playing horribly in my match, I was pretty frustrated and just wondering why in the world I am wasting my time here. I had decided when I got back to the room that I was just going to head out the next day and go back home, so I did.

I am sure I have said this before or at least definitely thought about it, but I really don't think I will be back to the derby, even though its less than a 2 hour drive for me. Maybe I am too old or just too used to being a homebody, but I can't do it with the crazy scheduling where you have nothing really to plan for. Last time I went, I got there at 9AM on Sunday, my first match wasn't until 5PM the following day! I know Chicago Mike had something similar this year too. They need a bigger venue with more tables and either limit the entries or maybe just do away with the buy-back, I don't know, something has to happen though for me to ever consider going again. Speaking of the venue... Everything is in Louisville (shopping, dining, hotels, life, lol...) - so to locate the venue in a place where you have to drive an extra 30 minutes from the casino to anywhere you want to do something else is not ideal either.

I think for me personally, I will have to stick to either 1 day tournaments or the 3-5 hour action sessions which are my favorite. The exception would be if it's close to home (like Michael's), then it's ok to drag out over a couple days because I'm only a 25 min drive from my house. :)

It's funny though. As I was driving back home, my mentality was, "Ok, I am taking a break from pool....why am I wasting my time playing this stupid game?....etc..) - then I get close to home and it's altered to, "Ok, I am just done with those long tournaments, I can still play a little here and there....lol) -- to now, I already know I am playing in Michael's tournament coming in March because of how close it is and it's MUCH shorter than the derby. Crazy how this one pocket bug gets inside of you, the game we all love. I just hope I can play better next time. And I will.

Good luck to those still in it!

Sorry for not getting to see other members who were there (Tom, Jerry, Dr. Bill and a slew of others...) and sorry for the early departure by Cincy. I hope to see some of you at Michaels in March.

Until then!
 

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Nice report, but sorry you had a bad trip. The Derby is certainly something special that every pool player should experience a time or two, but there are many things that could/should be changed to make it a better experience.
 

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Cincy's Write-Up
"It was like everything went out the door and I was a beginner level player again.

I head downstairs and do my buy-back and decide to just head back to the room. During the drive I am reflecting. After warming up poorly, then losing to John, then playing horribly in my match, I was pretty frustrated and just wondering why in the world I am wasting my time here. I had decided when I got back to the room that I was just going to head out the next day and go back home, so I did.

I am sure I have said this before or at least definitely thought about it, but I really don't think I will be back to the derby, even though its less than a 2 hour drive for me. Maybe I am too old or just too used to being a homebody, but I can't do it with the crazy scheduling where you have nothing really to plan for. Last time I went, I got there at 9AM on Sunday, my first match wasn't until 5PM the following day! I know Chicago Mike had something similar this year too. They need a bigger venue with more tables and either limit the entries or maybe just do away with the buy-back, I don't know, something has to happen though for me to ever consider going again. Speaking of the venue... Everything is in Louisville (shopping, dining, hotels, life, lol...) - so to locate the venue in a place where you have to drive an extra 30 minutes from the casino to anywhere you want to do something else is not ideal either.

I think for me personally, I will have to stick to either 1 day tournaments or the 3-5 hour action sessions which are my favorite. The exception would be if it's close to home (like Michael's), then it's ok to drag out over a couple days because I'm only a 25 min drive from my house. :)

It's funny though. As I was driving back home, my mentality was, "Ok, I am taking a break from pool....why am I wasting my time playing this stupid game?....etc..) - then I get close to home and it's altered to, "Ok, I am just done with those long tournaments, I can still play a little here and there....lol) -- to now, I already know I am playing in Michael's tournament coming in March because of how close it is and it's MUCH shorter than the derby. Crazy how this one pocket bug gets inside of you, the game we all love. I just hope I can play better next time. And I will."
Chris, I can relate so much to what you posted in these paragraphs. I didn't really know if I would take up pool again for many of the reasons you state, but I'm ultimately glad I renewed my interest, which ultimately was a choice. After hanging out Sunday at the DCC from noon til about 5 and having a bloody mary and soaking up the scenes...I can't honestly say I would enjoy playing in the event. My true love is shooting pool, and while watching pool is obviously a learning experience, I find the enormity of the event a bit distracting. Plus there is no way on earth I want to spend my time waiting around to play....I'd rather go to the pool room and hit balls all day long personally.

I'm completely with you on my preference for smaller 1 day tournies. I am hatching in my mind an invite only onepocket tourney that I'm sure I can convince The Cue Club to host. Small players with more games for everyone to play. Stay tuned, and please stay interested in the game...you play too good and enjoy it too much to hang it up. Trust me, I know all about it.
 
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Cincy's Write-Up

Well, I signed up in November, then cancelled in December when I had my eye surgery then just a few days before it starts I get cleared to go so I try to get signed up and everything is full. Luckily, I was able to get in after all so I was thrilled to go.

Of course, got no sleep the night before in excitement / anticipation per my usual and after tossing and turning from midnight to 4 AM I decide to just get up and start the chores. Finish packing/getting ready and I head out about 7 AM. It started snowing just an hour or so earlier and coming down hard. With the cataract in my left eye and recovering in my right eye, I am no fan of driving at night or in any precipitation, but I head out to try and get going before it gets worse. Not many cars on the road and on my way I saw 4 cops alongside cars off the side of the road and 2 where the cops had not gotten there yet...was scary lol.

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I arrive at the casino about 10 AM with no incidents and was happy to be done with the drive. I get to the counter, get my entry paid and start the usual walk around the place like the main tournament area, upstairs tournament area, gambling rooms, etc. I saw Dustin (Miller), chatted with him for a bit, saw Neil (Jalapus Logan) and met a couple of his buddies. I saw fellow member Clay Carmen playing a match in the banks tournament when I first walked in and then I saw a couple buddies upstairs warming up for one pocket so I was able to hop in and play a little with them while we were waiting for the player meeting / player draw.

I hope someone else will chime in here in case I have this wrong or want to add to it, but they used a couple peculiar rules (in my opinion), that I had not heard before. One was something about, when you are lining up your cue ball with ball in hand, if you use anything besides your hands to do so, like your stick/ferrule/tip - it's a foul and your opponent gets ball in hand behind the line. Don't know where that came from but, ok... You also cant jump the cue off the table, which I like that rule. I think there was another one or 2 things they added but I was upstairs hitting balls and not listening as intently as I could have.

When warming up, the tighter pockets were alarmingly apparent. They have always had 4.5" and at home I have 4.5" so I could definitely tell with a lot of balls I missed. I am sure it's mostly mental because if you aim for center it wont matter lol...

I do poor in warm up and then they do the draw and I am TBD on all the above (opponent, table, time). It says if your are TBD, you wont play before 5PM and it's like 12:30 so I head back downstairs and called Crabb to see how close he was, he had just gotten there in the parking lot so we end up driving back to Louisville and grabbing some lunch. The AirBnB I chose was one close to Railyard Billiards knowing we could play some. So after lunch we head there and probably played about 3 hours. They also have the tighter 4.25" pockets so I was glad to be able to warm up more on the same size.

We start off and I am playing pretty good. We go back and forth me up 1, even, me up 1, even. I am always checking the live schedule to see when they update me from TBD to a time and see who I play. Finally updates around 4ish and my first match is at 9 PM against someone I had not heard of before (Archie Hinton). So about halfway through the next game we say lets play this one and one more and then go take off, check in to our room, etc. He wins both games and comes up 2 games winner (I will get you next time crabbman!) :) - No, but really, good playing bro.

We head to the room, it was nice for the money, we each had our own bedroom and bathroom, kitchen, living room with large screen, back porch sitting area, off street parking. After unpacking, snacking, watching some tube and getting ready, we head back out, I stop grab a quick bite before my match and we get back to the casino around 8PM. Once I checked out the table availability, I walk back out into the casino and see Crabb with Dustin, Chicago Mike and got to meet Lou (who knew all about the retina surgery I had as his wife just went thru it). I forgot to snap a pic, wish I would have! I go to my table upstairs and watch some of the matches going on as I wait for my table to open so I can hit a few balls before my opponent arrives.

I also saw and chatted briefly with KollegeDave as he, along with Mike, John and Dustin, came up to watch my match.

The previous match on my assigned table ended up going late so my opponent and I used the table right next to it which opened up to play. Turns out Archie is from the Parkersburg, WV area and he had come with some friends who also played. When I first saw that I didn't have to play like Filler or Alex or anyone I knew by name and reputation, I was optimistic of my chances. After I saw Archie's first few shots, I knew I had no chance, lol. Even if I was playing my best game and potting balls well, I probably need 9-6 or something (and probably more). He played pretty good, great CB control and came up with some pretty good shots. When your opponent plays bad like I did, it makes it easier for him, but I take nothing away from him, he is a very good player. I lost 3-0 pretty quick and was just very frustrated overall at my performance. None of the new aiming techniques I was trying to practice came into play. Listening to the audio book "the inner game of tennis" post surgery, did not come into play. It was like everything went out the door and I was a beginner level player again.

I head downstairs and do my buy-back and decide to just head back to the room. During the drive I am reflecting. After warming up poorly, then losing to John, then playing horribly in my match, I was pretty frustrated and just wondering why in the world I am wasting my time here. I had decided when I got back to the room that I was just going to head out the next day and go back home, so I did.

I am sure I have said this before or at least definitely thought about it, but I really don't think I will be back to the derby, even though its less than a 2 hour drive for me. Maybe I am too old or just too used to being a homebody, but I can't do it with the crazy scheduling where you have nothing really to plan for. Last time I went, I got there at 9AM on Sunday, my first match wasn't until 5PM the following day! I know Chicago Mike had something similar this year too. They need a bigger venue with more tables and either limit the entries or maybe just do away with the buy-back, I don't know, something has to happen though for me to ever consider going again. Speaking of the venue... Everything is in Louisville (shopping, dining, hotels, life, lol...) - so to locate the venue in a place where you have to drive an extra 30 minutes from the casino to anywhere you want to do something else is not ideal either.

I think for me personally, I will have to stick to either 1 day tournaments or the 3-5 hour action sessions which are my favorite. The exception would be if it's close to home (like Michael's), then it's ok to drag out over a couple days because I'm only a 25 min drive from my house. :)

It's funny though. As I was driving back home, my mentality was, "Ok, I am taking a break from pool....why am I wasting my time playing this stupid game?....etc..) - then I get close to home and it's altered to, "Ok, I am just done with those long tournaments, I can still play a little here and there....lol) -- to now, I already know I am playing in Michael's tournament coming in March because of how close it is and it's MUCH shorter than the derby. Crazy how this one pocket bug gets inside of you, the game we all love. I just hope I can play better next time. And I will.

Good luck to those still in it!

Sorry for not getting to see other members who were there (Tom, Jerry, Dr. Bill and a slew of others...) and sorry for the early departure by Cincy. I hope to see some of you at Michaels in March.

Until then!
Sorry for your frustrating DCC experience Chris. I get it. On top of all you outlined, with the new 4.25" pockets and large # of players have got to have all the tournaments delayed even more than in the past. I don't get it.

Regarding ball in hand not using anything but your hand to place the ball, that's how it used to be unless your gambling years ago if I remember, I like that rule. I do not like the 'no jumping the cueball' rule if your opponent's winning ball is in their pocket and you aren't able to follow it in. Oh well.

Glad you were able to give it a try, but I think it was too soon. Peace
 

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i just got caught up on the posts in this thread
cincy
i can relate to your frustrations
but try to remeber
its the journey
;)
i know i am getting zen like in my old age
but here is a little something i just bought and have it hanging in my kitchen

difficult road.jpg
 

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I can relate to what you've said, Chris. If a guy wants to play pool, there is no reason to go to the DCC. There's little chance to play at all except in one's scheduled matches. The long delays, the uncertainty of match times, etc. are a real nuisance. OTOH if a guy just goes to watch good players, it's a spectator's dream.

Another thing that made me decide to quit going is that in Jan/Feb it's high flu season. I don't think I ever went there without picking up a bug. I'll guess that for the average guy who has a long trip to the DCC, it's nice to go once or twice, but that's it.
 
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