BackPocket9Ball
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As great a one pocket player as Jack Cooney was, I can't for the life of me figure out how he could be getting HOF votes 3 to 1 over Jose Parica.
Just an observation.
Just an observation.
BackPocket9Ball said:As great a one pocket player as Jack Cooney was, I can't for the life of me figure out how he could be getting HOF votes 3 to 1 over Jose Parica.
Just an observation.
So, Fred, are you saying that if Jack had picked up a few moves from you, he would have been an even better one-pocket player?fred bentivegna said:Jack and I spent a lot of time hustling together, but we did play a few times. In all that time, I don't think Jack picked up any 1pkt moves from me.
fred bentivegna said:The considerations for induction into the OnePocket HOF is not the same as the BCA HOF, which is tournament play and who could beat who. 1pkt HOF is not totally "who could beat who," but a lot of "who could break who," and "who do you most associate the 1pkt banner with." Weenie Beanie is in, and he was at best an even game with Minnesota Fats at a time when Fatty was on the down-slide. When most people think of Jose do they think of 1pkt or 9ball? With that said, I will include that no one has more respect for Jose's game than me. I think he is an absolute monster, player and gambler. But here may be another point for consideration, when Jose was around Chicago for about a year, and he and I played a lot, he picked up at least 25% of his 1pkt moves from me. Jack and I spent a lot of time hustling together, but we did play a few times. In all that time, I don't think Jack picked up any 1pkt moves from me.
the Beard
gulfportdoc said:So, Fred, are you saying that if Jack had picked up a few moves from you, he would have been an even better one-pocket player?
BTW, I know that you are good friends with the Cooneys. But in regards Jack's expertise, I understand that he was a major league hustler, but did he ever do well with any of the top 1P players? I did see a tape of him beating Joyner at the 1998 World's, but Joyner played about 2 levels below his normal speed.
Doc
gulfportdoc said:BTW, I know that you are good friends with the Cooneys. But in regards Jack's expertise, I understand that he was a major league hustler, but did he ever do well with any of the top 1P players? I did see a tape of him beating Joyner at the 1998 World's, but Joyner played about 2 levels below his normal speed.
Doc
gulfportdoc said:
BTW, I know that you are good friends with the Cooneys. But in regards Jack's expertise, I understand that he was a major league hustler, but did he ever do well with any of the top 1P players? I did see a tape of him beating Joyner at the 1998 World's, but Joyner played about 2 levels below his normal speed.
Doc
gulfportdoc said:So, Fred, are you saying that if Jack had picked up a few moves from you, he would have been an even better one-pocket player?
BTW, I know that you are good friends with the Cooneys. But in regards Jack's expertise, I understand that he was a major league hustler, but did he ever do well with any of the top 1P players? I did see a tape of him beating Joyner at the 1998 World's, but Joyner played about 2 levels below his normal speed.
Doc
jrhendy said:Doc, maybe the reason he played below his speed had something to do with Jack's style of play against him.
I remember sweating Jack and Grady playing at The House of Billiards at 6th & Western in the 70's when Grady was acknowledged by most as one of the best one pocket players in the country. Jack was getting 9/8 for a decent bet and they played two or three long sessions if my memory is correct. I don't remember who came out on top, and if they did it was not by much. I do remember Grady saying " I'm supposed to be the best player in the country and I don't see anything I do better than this guy".
Grady may elaborate more if he sees this post, but it was a great match to sweat, watching two of the best.
Smorgass Bored said:I was attracted to this thread by the music.
It turned out to be Freddy "The Bread" tooting his own horn.........as usual (imo)
Doug
Smorgass Bored said:I was attracted to this thread by the music.
It turned out to be Freddy "The Bread" tooting his own horn.........as usual (imo)
Doug
You know, you might be right, BP9. I'll have to go back and watch that tape again. Cooney played very well, and I could see how he could by his nature stay under the radar for anyone who didn't know him. Cliff was way off in that match-- lots of unforced errors.BackPocket9Ball said:Doc,
I've seen that tape too. It was a while ago, but I could've sworn that Cliff beat Cooney on the hill.
Ha! How about: "The Mahareeshi of Pocket-apiecey"...fred bentivegna said:...the Grand Master of Bragadoccio...
gulfportdoc said:Ha! How about: "The Mahareeshi of Pocket-apiecey"...
Doc
Cowboy Dennis said:Just my two cents. I've seen them both play and Parica couldn't carry Cooneys jockstrap, to paraphrase Larry Holmes, if memory serves correctly.
jay helfert said:Looks like I got here just in time. Toupee Jay to the rescue.
If Jack and Parica would have gambled at One Pocket, it probably would have turned out bad for Jose. Jack was the all time smoothest at matching up and robbing people. And yes he could play jam up if he had to. Just ask james Walden or the Monk or Ronnie for that matter.
The guy who really belongs in the One Pocket HOF and isn't getting the votes is Clem. He is only one of the all time great players, the only man who stood a chance with Rags in the 50's. In fact, Clem may have been the favorite. The guy was only a legend in his day. I like Jack, Allen and Marvin, but I voted for Clem first!