Sylver Ochoa vs Rafael Martinez

It sounds like they'll be matching up Friday @ Big Tymes...

I believe it's a race to 7 playing EVEN... I don't know what they're playing for...

I like Ochoa...

ArkansasKingpin said:

It sounds like they'll be matching up Friday @ Big Tymes...

I believe it's a race to 7 playing EVEN... I don't know what they're playing for...

I like Ochoa...

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That's a good match up I would say. Raphael is a very creative player with a lot of fire-power. Sylver is one of the all-around soundest, most talented young players from the next generation -- i.e. the Van Boening generation.

NH Steve said:

That's a good match up I would say. Raphael is a very creative player with a lot of fire-power. Sylver is one of the all-around soundest, most talented young players from the next generation -- i.e. the Van Boening generation.

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Raphael may have a psychological edge. He was playing his best pool in Texas when Sylver was starting out, and his unconventional play can rattle anyone when he is in gear.

I would make Sylver a sleight favorite but would not be surprised to see Raphael take it down.

They will both be here for the California Billiard Club tournament the end of the month.

I'll take Martinez for a sweat beat, if I can get 2 to 1 on the money. Say, 100-50, 80-40, etc.

Doc

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jrhendy said:

Raphael may have a psychological edge. He was playing his best pool in Texas when Sylver was starting out, and his unconventional play can rattle anyone when he is in gear.

I would make Sylver a sleight favorite but would not be surprised to see Raphael take it down.

They will both be here for the California Billiard Club tournament the end of the month.

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Does anyone know how much they are playing for? This also could have an effect on how Rafeal plays. I have seen him play his usual fast pace attack, but he also has a gear where he does not go for the crazy stuff. Wish they would hold out and play in Cali at the end of the month. Maybe the second set could be in Cali?????? Then we would stream so all could see!!!!!

gulfportdoc said:

I'll take Martinez for a sweat beat, if I can get 2 to 1 on the money. Say, 100-50, 80-40, etc.

Doc

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Watch out Doc, you are getting a little too loose with your dough.

jrhendy said:

Raphael may have a psychological edge. He was playing his best pool in Texas when Sylver was starting out, and his unconventional play can rattle anyone when he is in gear.

I would make Sylver a sleight favorite but would not be surprised to see Raphael take it down.

They will both be here for the California Billiard Club tournament the end of the month.

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John....I posted my opinion/analysis last night in the azbilliards action room thread...looks like we saw this match-up pretty much the same way - here's my azbilliards-post from last night >>>

1 Pocket Ghost said:

I think this is a pretty even match-up....with Sylver playing the more controlled game, and Rafael the more aggressive game...

I like Sylver's all-around solid game and started to lean towards him here, but then I thought of how Rafael is more 'seasoned' than Sylver, and has a very strong mental game, and I wonder if that might show up at some point in their match...all that said, it could go either way.

- Ghost

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cabilliardclub said:

Does anyone know how much they are playing for? This also could have an effect on how Rafeal plays. I have seen him play his usual fast pace attack, but he also has a gear where he does not go for the crazy stuff. Wish they would hold out and play in Cali at the end of the month. Maybe the second set could be in Cali?????? Then we would stream so all could see!!!!!

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Rafael can slow it down if he wants to, but will probably start out being a little aggressive to see if it is working.

I had him two/zip once at Hollywood Billiards going to three and never saw another shot. Should be a great match.

jrhendy said:

Raphael may have a psychological edge. He was playing his best pool in Texas when Sylver was starting out, and his unconventional play can rattle anyone when he is in gear.

I would make Sylver a sleight favorite but would not be surprised to see Raphael take it down.

They will both be here for the California Billiard Club tournament the end of the month.

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Hi John,

This should be a great match up. I think the result is close to a coin flip.

Do you want Sylver for a little sweat action? I'll take Raphael for say $100.00? For one set only, so there is a winner. We can settle either way in Vegas.

P.S. It's evident I'm not as good a negotiator as our esteemed Doc

Thanks. Bernie.

bernie p said:

Hi John,

This should be a great match up. I think the result is close to a coin flip.

Do you want Sylver for a little sweat action? I'll take Raphael for say $100.00? For one set only, so there is a winner. We can settle either way in Vegas.

P.S. It's evident I'm not as good a negotiator as our esteemed Doc

Thanks. Bernie.

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Well, there goes MY action... And I was just fixin' to offer John 8-5 rather than 2-1!

Doc

bernie p said:

Hi John,

This should be a great match up. I think the result is close to a coin flip.

Do you want Sylver for a little sweat action? I'll take Raphael for say $100.00? For one set only, so there is a winner. We can settle either way in Vegas.

P.S. It's evident I'm not as good a negotiator as our esteemed Doc

Thanks. Bernie.

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OK, we have a $100 bet and I have Sylver. Won't be mad if Rafael wins. He is an old friend.

I hate to Jinx Sylver like this, but that's what Johnny do.

gulfportdoc said:

I'll take Martinez for a sweat beat, if I can get 2 to 1 on the money. Say, 100-50, 80-40, etc.

Doc

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Thou shalt not steal.

blackeee said:

Thou shalt not steal.

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Thats not stealing thats just making the odds in his favor a little bite.

And Favorits get beat all the time. Dock Give them a chance and bet the player who wins the first game.

Or you can tell them you will take 9 to 5 and they get thier pick.

You can lay 5 to 1 the person who wins the last game will win the session?

You can take 13 to 10 the person who gets the breack wins the session.

Thier are some good bets you could make. But ill just weight for someone else too day something.

How many 8 and outs will thier be in thier session?

Here's a few more prop bets...from the bookie Ghost......

Get or lay 4-1 that the first ball made in a given game is a bank shot.

Get or lay 5-1 that one or more multi-rail banks are made in a given game.

The bettor lays 11-10 and gets his pick of whether a ball gets made on the break during the entire session, zero times, one time, two times, three times or four times.

And here's some special bets for casino roulette players! >>> You get 14-1 to pick which ball (choose a number 1 thru 15) is the first ball made in a game....or you lay 105 to 100 and you get to pick whether a stripe or a solid is the first ball made in a game.

- Ghost

PS, Hey Artie and Billy - how are my lines?...

One Pocket Ghost said:

Here's a few more prop bets...from the bookie Ghost......

Get or lay 4-1 that the first ball made in a given game is a bank shot.

Get or lay 5-1 that one or more multi-rail banks are made in a given game.

The bettor lays 11-10 and gets his pick of whether a ball gets made on the break during the entire session, zero times, one time, two times, three times or four times.

And here's some special bets for casino roulette players! >>> You get 14-1 to pick which ball (choose a number 1 thru 15) is the first ball made in a game....or you lay 105 to 100 and you get to pick whether a stripe or a solid is the first ball made in a game.

- Ghost

PS, Hey Artie and Billy - how are my lines?...

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Your lines are great I think you could make a living with them. This might be your best game.

People dont no this is youre road game. One miner point. Just so they dont come after you for being a bookmaker.

For your first offense. I would take a pass on saying that you are a bookmaker.

You dont want any unnecesary heat. Billy would be heart broken too see you get 5 years for booking.

In Marion Prison. For not even booking one bet. Lots off strange things happen in life.

And I am a Chicago guy and I dont want too see the goast disapear.

But the lines are all good. I think you have a winner. Whats the odds on a Foul in a game. One player or both.

Whats the price on one player running 4 8 and outs in a row.

Whats the odds on a game going down too the last ball.

Dippy should join in He might be good at this. And we can bet Dippy on his odds and prices.

And parlays are ok tioo wright Goast?

Whats the odds a player winning 4 games in a rowe.

What are the odds the session will go down too the last game?

Whats the odds on a player calling a foul on himself.

Whats the odds on those two players not playing.

What will be made first two solids or two stripes.

Her is one for the wise guys. What pocket will the first player breack for the left or right.

Whats the odds on the player who wins the first game will loose the session.

THats enough for now.

I hope Dippy makes some prices. Do Dippy make prices. Yes No Maybe so.

Artie Bodendorfer said:

Thats not stealing thats just making the odds in his favor a little bite.

And Favorits get beat all the time. Dock Give them a chance and bet the player who wins the first game.

Or you can tell them you will take 9 to 5 and they get thier pick.

You can lay 5 to 1 the person who wins the last game will win the session?

You can take 13 to 10 the person who gets the breack wins the session.

Thier are some good bets you could make. But ill just weight for someone else too day something.

How many 8 and outs will thier be in thier session?

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Good props. Truthfully, my guess is that Ochoa would be a 6 to 5 favorite, although Martinez is a fearsome competitor, and I'm not privy to their history. Even so, I might be inclined to lay 55 to 45 that the guy who breaks in the first game would win the set.

Doc

One Pocket Ghost said:

Here's a few more prop bets...from the bookie Ghost......

Get or lay 4-1 that the first ball made in a given game is a bank shot.

Get or lay 5-1 that one or more multi-rail banks are made in a given game.

The bettor lays 11-10 and gets his pick of whether a ball gets made on the break during the entire session, zero times, one time, two times, three times or four times.

And here's some special bets for casino roulette players! >>> You get 14-1 to pick which ball (choose a number 1 thru 15) is the first ball made in a game....or you lay 105 to 100 and you get to pick whether a stripe or a solid is the first ball made in a game.

- Ghost

PS, Hey Artie and Billy - how are my lines?...

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Good question, that depends on who racks for who.

If they play rack for your opponent I like a solid being the first ball made. If they play rack your own that's a different story. No preference.

Since I don't like laying 4 or 5 to 1 i'm not laying the odds.
I wouldn't mind taking 5 to 1 on a multi rail bank being made in a game. I'll bet that every game.

I also wouldn't mind taking 14/1 on the 8 ball or the 6 ball being the first ball made in each game. That's two different bets, 14/1 on each ball, the six and eight. Better yet i'll take 7/1 that either the 6 ball or the 8 ball is the first ball made.

After the set is over your question on how are your lines, will be easier to answer.

Billy I.

gulfportdoc said:

Good props. Truthfully, my guess is that Ochoa would be a 6 to 5 favorite, although Martinez is a fearsome competitor, and I'm not privy to their history. Even so, I might be inclined to lay 55 to 45 that the guy who breaks in the first game would win the set.

Doc

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Art, try to get down on the bet that Artie said was a good bet. He said that you can lay 5 to 1 on the player that wins the last game will win the set. If you get down i'll take all you don't want. OK?

Billy I.

wincardona said:

Good question, that depends on who racks for who.

If they play rack for your opponent I like a solid being the first ball made. If they play rack your own that's a different story. No preference.

Since I don't like laying 4 or 5 to 1 i'm not laying the odds.

I wouldn't mind taking 5 to 1 on a multi rail bank being made in a game. I'll bet that every game.

I also wouldn't mind taking 14/1 on the 8 ball or the 6 ball being the first ball made in each game. That's two different bets, 14/1 on each ball, the six and eight. Better yet i'll take 7/1 that either the 6 ball or the 8 ball is the first ball made.

After the set is over your question on how are your lines, will be easier to answer.

Billy I.

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These lines are tough but interesting to estimate...yeah, I probably made the multi-rail bank prop line a little too high - whaddaya think the right price should be for that bet? - 4-1? - 3-1?

- Goast

One Pocket Ghost said:

These lines are tough but interesting to estimate...yeah, I probably made the multi-rail bank prop line a little too high - whaddaya think the right price should be for that bet? - 4-1? - 3-1?

- Goast

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Billy you can take 5 too one on the 6 or 8 being made just put one on each corner and the odds will go up.

Ill take 2 and a half to one on a parlay that the first two balls will be solids.

And since we are talking about solids and strips. The solids are a clear favorite without racking them in a certain order,

Because thier are 8 solids and 7 stripes. Witch would change playing eight ball.

And you could make a real good bet playing nine ball or ten ball. you cold lay 2 to 1 that a solid would be made first.

But be carefull and dont lay 5 too 1 because you think your a lock because your not a lock.