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beatle

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just the opposite. against a weak player you may not want to shoot as he will not come with a strong return on the 11 ball and you will be a favorite on the balls one on one of perhaps ten to one favorite or more to win the game.

playing a strong player even though he can make more balls you are much less of a favorite to win on the remaining balls after his return move. and as you gave up your chances of winning right there for a later possible win.
 

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hi guys
i just got home
i havent read any replies
just looked at the layout
me ahead i make his 14
now its 7-5
GAME ON ....:)
not knowing how confident an upper level ball striker feels about the shots to his hole
you upper level players let me know
do you feel better on the straight in or the cut shot??
again for me i make his 14 ball
 
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lll

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just the opposite. against a weak player you may not want to shoot as he will not come with a strong return on the 11 ball and you will be a favorite on the balls one on one of perhaps ten to one favorite or more to win the game.

playing a strong player even though he can make more balls you are much less of a favorite to win on the remaining balls after his return move. and as you gave up your chances of winning right there for a later possible win.
i was posting as you were posting
so
if you were the weaker player playing a strong player and you are advocating shooting
which shot do you recomend for the weaker player??
the cut or the straight in??
 

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I've heard that a shot with the OB halfway to the pocket requires the most precision - and opposite corner shots like this are the most demanding version of that.

But don't be nervous.

pj
chgo
 

Jimmy B

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I like leaving the one exactly where it is and rolling the 11 real softly all times against all type players..
 

lll

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I like leaving the one exactly where it is and rolling the 11 real softly all times against all type players..
you know jimmy
i cant argue with your logic
you have a chance to win
might as well shoot the one that you feel the best at pocketing
 

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I've heard that a shot with the OB halfway to the pocket requires the most precision - and opposite corner shots like this are the most demanding version of that.

But don't be nervous.

pj
chgo
God hates cowards. Like Steph Curry. Step up and swooooosh.
 

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baby huey

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This is a tough call about the ball in the opponents pocket. It appears it can be taken out.....maybe. I have to think needing one ball that I am going to have to give the ball. He'll still need three to win and the balls are set up in my favor. Don't put him back in the game by trying to make a ball here.
 

beatle

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larry against anyone i would shoot the shot that had the best combination of making it and if missed hanging it up. i think the straight in, would be that .

or if shooting harder, then simply the shot that had the best chance of going in combined with leave. that would be the cut shot.

and the weaker the opponent the less chance he will make more balls than just the hanger on the 14.

the more open the balls are, the more you should lean towards shooting the 14.

the decision is not a simple one depending on extraneous factors.
 

Dennis "Whitey" Young

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The reason I am shooting the 11 over the 1 is in the fact that if it goes to an end game then the 1 remains to block the two rail bank on the 10.
If your leaning towards making the opponents 14 then it is not whether he is a strong shooter but if they are a strong banker. Whitey
 
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This is a wwyd that I put up a few years ago, and I thought I'd put it up again with all of the additional members that we have now...last time it was up we had some lively disagreeing on what was the right thing to do - especially between Dr. Billy and 'Freddy the Beard' :heh

It's your shot --- your pocket is at the top left --- score is 7 to 4, you're ahead, and you're playing in a hill-hill tournament match against a strong player --- the pockets are 4-3/8" --- so wwyd - go for the win right now (shooting which ball?) or give him his 14ball? ----->
(haven't read through all the posts....)

shooting outta the corner that way.....roll in the 14.....duh.....:rolleyes:;):D
:)
 

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I look at this like a game of nine ball, and the nine ball is that 11 right in the center of the table. And I ain't gonna play safe myself. Buddy hall used to say during his commentaries that when you get ready to shoot, do just that (meaning forget about everything but pocketing the ball), and I've profited from that and that's what I'd do here with the 11... just get it in the hole the best way I know how, which for me would be a slightly jacked up stop shot. Even if I was playing the best ball striker in the world, I'd like myself getting back to the table even if I miss here.
 
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Looks like an awful big pocket there with the 14 in the jaws and he's not likely shooting it straight on, but rather a bank combo, so if he makes 1 he's almost a sure bet to make at least 2. I'm slow rolling the 14 here if I can get to the table fast enough.
 

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larry against anyone i would shoot the shot that had the best combination of making it and if missed hanging it up. i think the straight in, would be that .

or if shooting harder, then simply the shot that had the best chance of going in combined with leave. that would be the cut shot.

and the weaker the opponent the less chance he will make more balls than just the hanger on the 14.

the more open the balls are, the more you should lean towards shooting the 14.

the decision is not a simple one depending on extraneous factors.
thanks beatle
 

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After years of deliberation...lol. I have finally come to the conclusion that there is no blanket answer to the question on when it's right to shoot. There are just too many considerations one could have to make an intelligent decision. I'm not just talking about who your opponent is or what size pockets the table has but also how efficient one is with certain type of shots, not only in terms of accuracy but speed as well. For some cutting the 1ball would be the best choice because of how consistently one would be with getting the 1ball to the pocket or end rail without leaving a return shot if missed. I believe the choice of options should be between the 1ball or 14ball, playing the 11ball imo shouldn't be the best choice for most, but then again not to be ruled totally against.

My first inclination would be to pocket the 14ball but if I were confident with the speed of the 1ball choice then I would lean to that option.

It mostly depends on how we feel about whatever decision we choose, that imo is the correct shot.

Dr. Bill
 
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After years of deliberation...lol. I have finally come to the conclusion that there is no blanket answer to the question on when it's right to shoot. There are just too many considerations one could have to make an intelligent decision. I'm not just talking about who your opponent is or what size pockets the table has but also how efficient one is with certain type of shots, not only in terms of accuracy but speed as well. For some cutting the 1ball would be the best choice because of how consistently one would be with getting the 1ball to the pocket or end rail without leaving a return shot if missed. I believe the choice of options should be between the 1ball or 14ball, playing the 11ball imo shouldn't be the best choice for most, but then again not to be ruled totally against.

My first inclination would be to pocket the 14ball but if I were confident with the speed of the 1ball choice then I would lean to that option.

It mostly depends on how we feel about whatever decision we choose, that imo is the correct shot.

Dr. Bill
There's also another consideration one should have when choosing the best shot for the situation and that would be the degree of difficulty for your opponent on playing position for the ball that would follow the missed ball, whether in this instance it be the 1ball bank to the 11ball, or the 11ball bank to the 1ball. Understanding that in this situation then that would be another reason to soft roll the 11ball, because playing position on the 1ball off the 11ball is more difficult then playing position for the 11ball off the 1ball bank.

Something else to think about, not that we don't already have enough to think about, never the less, very helpful if I don't say so myself.:D

DR. Bill
 

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Needing 1 ball against a really good player makes the decision the most difficult IMO because the hardest ball to make for most players is their out ball, especially when a miss carries consequences, such as here... It's a catch 22 situation, where you could always look back and say you wish you had shot the other option on the occasions where you ended up losing the game...

Against a player with skill sets about like mine, I'm rolling on the 14 every single time...
 

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I've heard that a shot with the OB halfway to the pocket requires the most precision - and opposite corner shots like this are the most demanding version of that.

But don't be nervous.

pj
chgo
I agree that an end rail straight in shot requires the most precision when the object ball is in the middle of the table and kiddie corner to the target pocket.

It is based on distance.

On a 9 foot table there are 100 inches (8 feet 4 inches) from the head rail location of the corner pocket to the foot rail location of the corner pocket. But there are 110 inches (9 feet 2 inches) from the head rail location of the corner pocket to the kiddie corner foot rail location of the corner pocket.

I would shoot the 14 and leave my opponent in the jaws of his pocket. It would not be a consideration of who I am playing, whether it was Efren Reyes in his prime or a weak player getting 3, hit and the pick. It would be based entirely on the location of the cue ball and the three remaining balls in play.
 

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With situations like this it comes down to "how do I feel about shooting for the win". If my confidence is high than I see no fault in going for it but if there is any doubt in my mind about my making this shot then it's time to pass and pocket the 14.

Making the 14 here can never be considered a poor option but it does put your opponent back the table where anything can still happen. Shooting and making either the one or 11 ends the game immediately and that is always the main objective. So bottom line is if you elect to shoot for the win, miss and sell out, be prepared to face the music and blame no one but yourself.

Tom
 
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