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Frank Almanza

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Cory in dc said:
This is a bit risky but could pay off nicely if you do it right: Bank the 14 and lock the CB on the 4 ball. Looks to me like the 14 would go into the 2/10/1 cluster. That really opens things up nicely for you later and the 14 could end up pretty close to your pocket.

If you want to be conservative, coming off the 15 and down between the 11 and 3 to end up underneath the 3 looks pretty easy to execute. But you'll und up in an uptable game.

I'd have to be at the table and down on the 14 to decide which I'd shoot.

Cory

P.S. I'm assuming the 4 doesn't go. If it does, you could cut it with a little speed and bring the CB 2-rails to the foot rail. The speed would be to avoid selling out a bank if you miss. I don't like this, though. It's too touchy for me and I see a lot of ways to sell out or even scratch. And there's no continuation shot even if you make it.

P.P.S. I just noticed that I'm up 5-0. That probably tips it in favor of my second shot: coming off the 15 to underneath the 3.
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Cory, I'm going with your P.P.S. option. Easy to do and not chancy at all. Being up 5-0 I want to keep it that way until I get better opportunities.
 
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fred bentivegna said:
Forget banking the ball at the pocket, you wont be able to control the cue ball and freeze it behind the 4 ball very easily. The power in the shot is opening up the 3 balls that are tied up. You might even knock one of them to go down and close to your pocket.

Beard
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That was my shot! (See post #2)

What do I win?
 
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vapros said:
If you want an offensive shot, bank the 14 and try to double up your man on the 4-3. My own preference, since I like to follow with the cb, is to drive the 4 ball straight ahead and follow it to the short rail. I'm quite certain I can leave it within 4" of the rail. Look at the 4. Something nice might happen with it.[/QUOTE]

vapros you liked going to the end rail in 2011 also...:D
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vapros said:
If you want an offensive shot, bank the 14 and try to double up your man on the 4-3. My own preference, since I like to follow with the cb, is to drive the 4 ball straight ahead and follow it to the short rail. I'm quite certain I can leave it within 4" of the rail. Look at the 4. Something nice might happen with it.[/QUOTE]

vapros shannon took your advice but something nice didnt happen.....:eek:
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vapros said:
If you want an offensive shot, bank the 14 and try to double up your man on the 4-3. My own preference, since I like to follow with the cb, is to drive the 4 ball straight ahead and follow it to the short rail. I'm quite certain I can leave it within 4" of the rail. Look at the 4. Something nice might happen with it.
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I like this shot, (bank the 14ball) quite similar to Cory's shot but the key and most important part of this shot is to play the cue ball. 90% of your concentration goes into controlling the cue ball, the other 10% goes into reassuring your self of the other 90%. The key to the shot is not only the double up, but also, and equally importantly is limiting your opponent from controlling any return shot you may leave.

Choosing the option of positioning the cue ball too close to the 4ball (basically the same shot but different cue ball result) will often leave your opponent in a position to play a controlled return shot. Even though this option looks good, it will more often then you think put you in a battle for position.;) and with a 5 to 0 lead you don't want to play that kind of a game.

Dr. Bill
 
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wincardona said:
I like this shot, (bank the 14ball) quite similar to Cory's shot but the key and most important part of this shot is to play the cue ball. 90% of your concentration goes into controlling the cue ball, the other 10% goes into reassuring your self of the other 90%. The key to the shot is not only the double up, but also, and equally importantly is limiting your opponent from controlling any return shot you may leave.

Choosing the option of positioning the cue ball too close to the 4ball (basically the same shot but different cue ball result) will often leave your opponent in a position to play a controlled return shot. Even though this option looks good, it will more often then you think put you in a battle for position.;) and with a 5 to 0 lead you don't want to play that kind of a game.

Dr. Bill
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What does "controlled return shot" mean here? Can you give an example?

I always thought the closer you leave the CB to the blocking ball the better - controlling (limiting) your opponent's return shot options...?

pj
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Patrick Johnson said:
What does "controlled return shot" mean here? Can you give an example?

I always thought the closer you leave the CB to the blocking ball the better - controlling (limiting) your opponent's return shot options...?

pj
chgo
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Me too.

Ken
 
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Patrick Johnson said:
What does "controlled return shot" mean here? Can you give an example?

I always thought the closer you leave the CB to the blocking ball the better - controlling (limiting) your opponent's return shot options...?

pj
chgo
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You thought right Patrick. Putting him on top of the 4 ball is the best thing to do on Earth. Cardone is probably talking about what would be best if the match takes place on Mars with their different gravity.

Beard:sorry
 
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