Take one intentional and hopefully he will too and then push the cue ball to where exactly it was pushed to in the second frame and let him shoot coast to coast with both balls frozen. By the way Frank, is that your Anniversary table. Looks beautiful. Are those 4" pockets?
I agree with your logic Frank, imo it gives you the best chance to win the game. There are going to be times when you may end up back in the pocket on two fouls, however there are also going to be times when hour back at the table with a shotThis was not a real situation but could be. I did place the balls in their position except where the cue ball wound up at after my second foul. On that second foul with a little more thought I could have kicked the cue ball a couple of inches further up to prevent my opponent from kicking it back to the original position as the Hacker suggested. While being careful not to go too far and allow him to bridge up comfortably and shoot firm to stop the cue ball.
Tom Wirth did mentioned that for those that would take a foul and leave the cue ball in place have now cut off the avenue to the safe spot because of the balls that will be on the spot. Good point.
I found it to be a high percentage to get the cue ball very tight to the long rail by coming off the short rail point of the pocket. Even if it winds up a little off the rail it still would be hard to pocket the twelve. If he shoots at the twelve and the cue ball rubs the rail on it's way to the twelve, the twelve will not go. In other words the twelve because it's froze there is only one spot to hit it to make it as opposed to if it was slightly off the rail. So now you not only have to consider your skill level but also the table conditions, the level of the table and if the rails are perfect between the side pocket. Keeping in mind that it's not a free miss because of the other ball that's on the short rail.
Even if he succeeds in pocketing the 12 ball there's a very little chance for another ball. So now I need four and he needs one, as oppose to kicking out on my first foul where I will need three and him needing one and with him having a chance to win on his shot after my kick.
Sure it's a big difference between needing three or needing four. But in this case, needing four pretty much keeps me in the game and I'm sure we've all won games being further behind than this.
I think giving him one opportunity to make a mistake on that twelve ball would be worth it the risk.
So tell me your response now when I take an intentional and shoot the cue ball 3 inches and hook you again on the pocket facing.. your on 2 by the way..... now people might learn something
Ok, I agree about him relocating the cue ball back to the original position but you make it sound like it's a gimme to do that. It's a very touchy shot that also give him a chance to make a mistake with. Not getting there and letting me see the balls on the spot let's me out of the trap. Plus there is a chance for you to scratch. If you scratch, I now have a bank on the twelve and maybe become the favorite in the game. Had I positioned the cue ball a couple of inches further from the pocket I doubt that you would consider that shot.
But let's say that you are successful in putting the cue ball back inside the pocket, it's not an automatic win for you because from there is a two rail kick around the balls on the spot to hit the twelve. I say that most here can hit that ball at least seven out of ten and maybe more. If I can do that, now you need three and I need four. Not bad for having started from such a dire situation.
Frank Almanza;176221 But let's say that you are successful in putting the cue ball back inside the pocket said:I think you should set that shot up and try the kick, it looks almost impossible with 4 balls on the spot and the 13 ball in the path. A one rail kick at the 13 might work but I don't see a 2 rail path to the 12.
I think you should set that shot up and try the kick, it looks almost impossible with 4 balls on the spot and the 13 ball in the path. A one rail kick at the 13 might work but I don't see a 2 rail path to the 12.
I think you should set that shot up and try the kick, it looks almost impossible with 4 balls on the spot and the 13 ball in the path. A one rail kick at the 13 might work but I don't see a 2 rail path to the 12.
Wayne, I have set the shot up and since I have to hit it pretty firm in case I hit the twelve too full and have to drive it to another rail that makes the kick even better. Kicking just past the side pocket with center ball and no spin you will get past the balls on the spot and if you don't hit the 13 ball (which I wouldn't mind) you will hit the 12 ball. It's unlikely to go into that area without hitting one of those two balls. Of course there is a chance of scratching somewhere after satisfying the ball/rail requirements.
I'll have to test this on other tables. Maybe I have a trick table that's allowing me to be so successful.
Alot of you guys are going to trap yourself in this spot... Sometimes you just have to take your medicine.. Kick into the box on the first shot and play 3 to 1... All the other choices are going to put you in a worse spot.