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Very interesting situation, and yes depending on the speed of your opponent should influence you (to a degree) on what shot to give 'extra' consideration to.

I see three shots that are imo reasonable, and yes my preference would change against different levels of players.

#1 You can "tiki" shooting under the 1ball, which is very inviting because of the "high percentage" of pocketing the 5ball. Plus you really don't leave much for your opponent. I like this shot a lot, especially playing a very good or very bad player. Playing a weaker player you will give yourself the time you need to work back into the game. Playing a very good player you will also buy a little time, simply because the shot lends to a grinding future. (if there is one):lol

#2 You can also billiard the 5ball off the 7ball. This shot (imo) is not as strong as the "tiki" You can possibly tie up a few balls off the 7ball, however, you run the risk of leaving a good offensive shot with the 1ball. Not a shot that I would shoot against a good player.:sorry However, if i'm uncomfortable with the "tiki" then i'm not goin to get mad at ya if you billiard off the 7ball. Just not my choice.

#3 The 13ball billiard is also a consideration, especially against a top player or even a very good player. I would lean more toward the billiard playing better players, but regardless of who the player is I would have to feel that I was at least a 3/2 favorite to pocket the billiard before shooting it. Playing lesser players I would have to be a much bigger favorite to make the billiard for me to choose that option, because of the confidence I would have in buying the time I need to work myself back in the game against the weaker player.

Let me share what I believe is very 'noteworthy' and that is the position of the cue ball, closely positioned to the side rail. NASTY

Thanks Tom for your time and understanding of interesting situations.

Bill Incardona
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Players, you have read Dr. Bill's analysis of the various shots he recognized as viable options. He chose these options with the firm understanding of his own skill level and abilities. This will be a key element in your future as a winning One Pocket player. As Harry Callahan says, "A man has to know his limitations." Nothing could be more true for a One Pocket player. Beyond that truism is another; Know your opponent. Not only his abilities but do your best to understand his psychology. When in difficult situations does your opponent's defensive nature surface or is he the type of player who rashly strikes out with aggressiveness? Is your opponent steady, methodical. level headed when confronted with stressful circumstances? These are all factors which help you to assess in what manor you should construct your game plan.

I call on you to make these assessments in the course of this thread and when preparing to play your next opponent. To you who are new to One Pocket if you choose not to post your thoughts that will be fine with me. I have created this thread not for the entertainment value but to encourage you to think of this game as a mental struggle between two master chess players.

Two players who are trying to match up are bantering back and forth. One player is a nine ball player who says to the other who prefers One Pocket, "Come on, play me some nine ball. I want to see you shoot!" The other player responds, "You play me some One Pocket, I want to see how you think!"

Tom
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Here is a shot that I probably wouldn't shoot but I am just pointing it out so some of the new players can picture and visualize how the balls will react. Sometimes something that looks crazy is actually a powerful shot when you really study it. Jack up and hit the 3 ball firm and freeze to the 8 ball. Hitting the 3 ball will bank the 2 ball toward your side possibly playing a ticky with the 2 ball off the 1 ball and in or it could combo the 1 ball in your hole. Now then what about the other balls? The 9 ball and 3 ball will end up a little above the 8 ball. The 14 ball will slightly billiard the 4 ball into the 15 ball which will move the 13 ball closer to your pocket. . Balls will go toward both of your holes but the 8 ball will not move and if you concentrate on freezing the cue ball to the 8 ball if the 2 ball or 1 ball go in your hole you will probably have a cut on the 13 ball next. The reason Im showing this is so you can see how all the balls will move but not the 8 ball. Certain variations of this type of shot can totally turn a game around if you can recognize them

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Here is a shot that I probably wouldn't shoot but I am just pointing it out so some of the new players can picture and visualize how the balls will react. Sometimes something that looks crazy is actually a powerful shot when you really study it. Jack up and hit the 3 ball firm and freeze to the 8 ball. Hitting the 3 ball will bank the 2 ball toward your side possibly playing a ticky with the 2 ball off the 1 ball and in or it could combo the 1 ball in your hole. Now then what about the other balls? The 9 ball and 3 ball will end up a little above the 8 ball. The 14 ball will slightly billiard the 4 ball into the 15 ball which will move the 13 ball closer to your pocket. . Balls will go toward both of your holes but the 8 ball will not move and if you concentrate on freezing the cue ball to the 8 ball if the 2 ball or 1 ball go in your hole you will probably have a cut on the 13 ball next. The reason Im showing this is so you can see how all the balls will move but not the 8 ball. Certain variations of this type of shot can totally turn a game around if you can recognize them
I looked at that shot for a long time. It can be very effective.

I think the 2 hit the 10 and goes to wrong hole. The 4 gets moved and uncovers the 8. Lots of balls moving and I can't keep track of them. I'm more worried about pushing more ball the wrong way with no cover.
 

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I looked at that shot for a long time. It can be very effective.

I think the 2 hit the 10 and goes to wrong hole. The 4 gets moved and uncovers the 8. Lots of balls moving and I can't keep track of them. I'm more worried about pushing more ball the wrong way with no cover.
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I looked at that shot for a long time. It can be very effective.

I think the 2 hit the 10 and goes to wrong hole. The 4 gets moved and uncovers the 8. Lots of balls moving and I can't keep track of them. I'm more worried about pushing more ball the wrong way with no cover.
The 9 ball will carom slightly off the 14 ball before hitting the 2 ball. Thus cutting the 2ball between the 10 ball and the 5 ball. Yes the 4 ball will be moved but the key to this type of shot is freezing to the 8 ball. Im not saying I would shoot this just showing what happens on these types of shots. You can obviously get unlucky and freeze the cue ball on the 8 ball but the 8 5 combo could be dead... A little different version of this and you can have a devasting shot capable of changing the game around PROVIDING the player is able to recognize the shot.
P.S. If you pull this shot off you might lose a customer... on the other hand if you shoot it and blow you might have a customer for life!!:lol:D:p
 

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The billiard looks good to me. Otherwise I'd try to freeze on the 8 ball as the hacker mentioned. :)
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The 9 ball will carom slightly off the 14 ball before hitting the 2 ball. Thus cutting the 2ball between the 10 ball and the 5 ball. Yes the 4 ball will be moved but the key to this type of shot is freezing to the 8 ball. Im not saying I would shoot this just showing what happens on these types of shots. You can obviously get unlucky and freeze the cue ball on the 8 ball but the 8 5 combo could be dead... A little different version of this and you can have a devasting shot capable of changing the game around PROVIDING the player is able to recognize the shot.
P.S. If you pull this shot off you might lose a customer... on the other hand if you shoot it and blow you might have a customer for life!!:lol:D:p
Options of this kind are great to develop a feel for, however, in situations like this one where there are other viable options and less need for a borderline shot you would be much better off taking "the bird in the hand" But your point is well taken...move balls and play a good cue ball and things just might turn out good for you. Plus you're buying a little time. Look for this kind of a shot when there is little else available. Jmo

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...move balls and play a good cue ball and things just might turn out good for you ...

Bill Incardona
This is another jewel worth remembering all by itself. This thread has a top layer of high level thinking that is valuable well beyond the individual layout and shot choices. Excellent is the word.
 

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This is another jewel worth remembering all by itself. This thread has a top layer of high level thinking that is valuable well beyond the individual layout and shot choices. Excellent is the word.
Agreed Boingo.

Here are the results of the three most likely responses you all have provided. Keep in mind that In each case I had to reconstruct the layout form photos but because the images have been so damn good and because I was able to take pictures from various angles I think I did a rather accurate recreation each time.
First up is the simple solution of caroming off the seven and into the five ball. This required approximately a half ball hit and follow.

Tom
We can discuss each result after all the solutions have been posted.
 

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In this second case the solution was to come under the one ball and tickie into the five ball. This shot as you can see worked rather well and although we are still in trouble we were in a far worse position before this shot.
 

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And finally the shot we all were anticipating but were a tad tentative to attempt due to the fact that photographic images are one thing, being there to see for yourself is another. Still credit must be given for recognizing the possibility of this shot.

The carom to pocket the thirteen ball. This shot was angled a touch too full and the ball if shot without English would have run toward the bottom rail just ahead of the pocket. To assure the shot going I used a bit of right hand English to throw the ball to the pocket. These type of shots have margins which can be altered with spin, speed, or draw. Learn to recognize which is best to use in each given case.

Tom

Notice two balls have fallen. Both of these balls fell into our pocket so we now need only six to win the game. How would you plan your run?
 

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6/1/14/3/15/2 or
if i have the angle
clip the 8 when making the 14
and go 8 /3/4
or
if the 14 goes
14/clip the 8
then
8/3/ 4/6/1
or 4/6/1/3/8/3
 

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I think if the 14 goes then 14, 8,3,4,6,1 and if 14 doesn't go, I would go after the 1,6,14,3,15,4.....i'm trying even if I am wrong here.
 

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The 14 does not go but the cue ball has room to shoot the six ball . I will give you an image from another angle. This may help.
 
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You would have to run into the 8,4 right?
If so, would you use the 1 ball, the 6 or the 14. jw :) Say you used the 1 to break into the 8,4, maybe that would free up the 2 ball to be shot at later. I see this.

1,6, (break into 8,4 and say the 4 is better position to shoot than the 8 after the hit....

so .....1,6,4,8,3,14 (or 2).......

lol I am horrible at this, but I am sure as time goes on, I'll get it.
 

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The 9 ball will carom slightly off the 14 ball before hitting the 2 ball. Thus cutting the 2ball between the 10 ball and the 5 ball. Yes the 4 ball will be moved but the key to this type of shot is freezing to the 8 ball. Im not saying I would shoot this just showing what happens on these types of shots. You can obviously get unlucky and freeze the cue ball on the 8 ball but the 8 5 combo could be dead... A little different version of this and you can have a devasting shot capable of changing the game around PROVIDING the player is able to recognize the shot.
P.S. If you pull this shot off you might lose a customer... on the other hand if you shoot it and blow you might have a customer for life!!:lol:D:p
Well, if Tom selects your shot, you still can't have my cookie! (See post 15: "Popping the 3-9-2 full and medium firm and leaving him on the 8 might be good if the 2 goes past the 10--the 2 and/or the 1 should end up on my side.")

Cookies aside, it's nice to know that a better player sees what I see, at least once in a while. Also, this is a good and helpful observation from you: "The 9 ball will carom slightly off the 14 ball before hitting the 2 ball." Thanks
 

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In this second case the solution was to come under the one ball and tickie into the five ball. This shot as you can see worked rather well and although we are still in trouble we were in a far worse position before this shot.
Between this and your earlier shot, I clearly have to practice my tickies! Thanks again for these, Tom.
 
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