What would you do here?

Dudley

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This is a scenario that comes up often. Your opponent just pocketed the 7 ball and left the cue ball in the jaws. What would you play? You have pocket A both need 1 to win.

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If your speed is good this is an effective safe. You'll leave a 2 railer and a 3 railer. Both tough shots with a lot of peril.
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Dudley said:
This is a scenario that comes up often. Your opponent just pocketed the 7 ball and left the cue ball in the jaws. What would you play? You have pocket A both need 1 to win.

Dudley

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Sometimes the way out is the easiest. There are other options and this is pretty conservative, but the shot I would shoot most of the time.

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androd said:
If your speed is good this is an effective safe. You'll leave a 2 railer and a 3 railer. Both tough shots with a lot of peril.
Rod.

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Good Shot Rod.

I will remember this and put it to good use. :D

I see a safety battle in the near future.

Dud
 

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Here is John's shot:

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This shot is much like Rod's shot, but moves the OB a little further up table to try to get your opponent having to deal with the side pocket. It's an interesting shot because if you take care of whitey, getting it to the bottom rail, then the object ball should naturally stay around the side pocket. And it's easy to aim at, just aiming to cut the OB a little bit. In other words, in my experience the shot just kind of takes care of itself.

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senor said:
This shot is much like Rod's shot, but moves the OB a little further up table to try to get your opponent having to deal with the side pocket. It's an interesting shot because if you take care of whitey, getting it to the bottom rail, then the object ball should naturally stay around the side pocket. And it's easy to aim at, just aiming to cut the OB a little bit. In other words, in my experience the shot just kind of takes care of itself.

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Senor,

IMO...Either shot is very workable...myself, I would feel more comfortable getting the cue ball froze (or almost froze)...on John's shot.
This also (as you said)...moves the OB, much further up table. (= more distance to make a good hit on the ensuing safety)
There are very few minuses either way...You are not going to trap a good player with either shot. (unless you get lucky)
It should be a few more exchanges before either player could be in real trouble.
 
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SJDinPHX said:
IMO...Either shot is very workable...myself, I would feel more comfortable getting the cue ball froze (or almost froze)...on John's shot.
There are very few minuses either way...You are not going to trap a good player with either shot...unless you get lucky.
It should be a few more exchanges before either player is in real trouble.
Is this the new Duck or the old Duck signing in???
 

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Also good shots Senor and John.

I like the idea of leaving the 7 ball near the side pocket because it seems it would be much harder (for my opponent) to do something strong with the ball that close to the pocket.

Johns shot having a better chance of leaving the cue ball frozen to the rail is also a strong option.

thanks for sharing guys.

Dudley
 

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Cowboy Dennis said:
Here is John's shot:

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this pattern of knocking a ball towards your side coming off the long rail to the short rail is a classic shot to me . will always get you to the next inning
 

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Dudley said:
This is a scenario that comes up often. Your opponent just pocketed the 7 ball and left the cue ball in the jaws. What would you play? You have pocket A both need 1 to win.

Dudley

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if i was feeling good i might try this. planning to leave the ob on the short rail if i missed
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lll said:
if i was feeling good i might try this. planning to leave the ob on the short rail if i missed
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?????????????????...lll, your intentions are good, but don't forget...You are shooting from inside the jaws of the pocket, that is a very difficult shot to hit good/execute...The only thing good that can happen here, is...you get real lucky, and MAKE the ball....obviously, not a gimme.
Of course if you just plan to leave it in the middle of the bottom rail...that's OK...But, if you miss hit, you may come back and leave him a good shot to trap YOU (or a shot at his hole)...I'm on your side pal,... either one of the other options, is the better shot!.. Even a mediore player like RBL, would not shoot the cut bank... (unless he was playing Quad).:eek:
Your best shot is to duck,,,(said the DUCK !)
 
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Dudley said:
This is a scenario that comes up often. Your opponent just pocketed the 7 ball and left the cue ball in the jaws. What would you play? You have pocket A both need 1 to win.

Dudley
I think this is about the easiesst shot to execute. You could sell aout a 3 bagger, but this position for your opponent ain't no bargin.
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lll said:
this pattern of knocking a ball towards your side coming off the long rail to the short rail is a classic shot to me . will always get you to the next inning
I think that shot is a trifle easier to execute on a wei than in reality.
 

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I'm in the John H. camp.

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lll said:
if i was feeling good i might try this. planning to leave the ob on the short rail if i missed
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Larry,

The thing about that shot is that it would probably come out closer to this layout, if you hit it very well. Too much risk for very little or no gain.

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Cowboy Dennis said:
Larry,

The thing about that shot is that it would probably come out closer to this layout, if you hit it very well. Too much risk for very little or no gain.

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Hold it !!!...Did you just agree with me...in a snively, sort of wimpy way ???
 

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blackeee said:
I think that shot is a trifle easier to execute on a wei than in reality.
i agree . rods shot is the easiest to execute and what i would probably do in real life. johns approach is something that comes up alot in alot of situations. would you agree??
the fliers ive posted in the past few threads were for entertainment and discussion provoking purposes expecting mr.ringling (and brother) and mr barnum and mr. bailey to come out of hiding and make me an attraction.(need some work)
 

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I like Sir Rod's shot and that's what I would play. Mr. Henderson's shot makes me nervous because of the potential for a scratch (it's not certain to get an excellent strike on the cb shooting out of the pocket). I like Sr. senor's shot but I think the cb will come further off the rail than is shown - may not turn out to be a problem but it does make the return play easier than if the cb is frozen.

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Skin said:
I like Sir Rod's shot and that's what I would play. Mr. Henderson's shot makes me nervous because of the potential for a scratch (it's not certain to get an excellent strike on the cb shooting out of the pocket). I like Sr. senor's shot but I think the cb will come further off the rail than is shown - may not turn out to be a problem but it does make the return play easier than if the cb is frozen.

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Skin, I shot the one JHendy posted for years with mixed results. The shot I posted is certainly not 100% percent, but has worked better for me in the last few years (Old dog, new trick). The OB around the side is great unless hit a little too easy or hard.
Rod.
PS, It's extremely hard to get the CB frozen, however you shoot this shot. :mad:
 
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