Reyes vs. Varner 1999 D.C.C. Shot #2

[Cowboy Dennis]

dennis in your opinion when faced with the choice above which shot do you think is better.

Larry, I don't know which shot I'd call "better". Neither one are great. I'd shoot the 1 in if it laid right to get the cueball down by the 15.

Dennis

 

[jtompilot]

It doesnt look like the angle is right to make the 1 and get the q behind the 15. Other wise Varner would have shot that. The 1 ball bank would have been huch harder if the 15 was shot shofter to leave the Q on the rail.

 

[sappo]

Im not being defensive here but i still beleive pocketing the 1 ball and sliding the cue ball down to below the 15 is the correct shot. Certainly better than the shot Nick executed. It sounds like a lot of our members feel the shot is to difficult, my reply is Nick could execute that shot over and over again. If he thought it was a dead scratch then he could simply pocketed the 1 ball and rolled the cue ball just short of the pocket and Efrin still would not have a shot. Were talking about one of the best players of the game and he certainly had the skills to play this shot. My guess is he made a bad decision kicking the 15 and leaving the 1 ball. Sappo

 

[Cowboy Dennis]

Im not being defensive here but i still beleive pocketing the 1 ball and sliding the cue ball down to below the 15 is the correct shot. Certainly better than the shot Nick executed. It sounds like a lot of our members feel the shot is to difficult, my reply is Nick could execute that shot over and over again. If he thought it was a dead scratch then he could simply pocketed the 1 ball and rolled the cue ball just short of the pocket and Efrin still would not have a shot. Were talking about one of the best players of the game and he certainly had the skills to play this shot. My guess is he made a bad decision kicking the 15 and leaving the 1 ball. Sappo

Sappo,

I'd shoot the 1 in the side if it laid right, as I wrote. Don't forget that it may not lay right, the camera skews the view of these layouts sometimes.

Dennis

 

[jtompilot]

What happened in the next shot? Was the 1 banked in?

 

[Cowboy Dennis]

What happened in the next shot? Was the 1 banked in?

Yes. Efren ran 8 & out.

 

[Cornerman]

Larry, I don't know which shot I'd call "better". Neither one are great. I'd shoot the 1 in if it laid right to get the cueball down by the 15.

Dennis

I think Nick would have also. How long did he stare at the 1-ball before going for the kick on the 15? The 1-ball from the TV angle looks like there's no way to hit it and get good.

Fred <~~~ knows the TV misleading angles

 

[Cowboy Dennis]

I think Nick would have also. How long did he stare at the 1-ball before going for the kick on the 15? The 1-ball from the TV angle looks like there's no way to hit it and get good.

Fred <~~~ knows the TV misleading angles

Cornerman,

It's been a couple of days since I watched it but I don't remember Nick looking at the 1 ball at all. I'm guessing that it was a couple of inches past the side pocket and therefore not a good way to play safe.

Oh no, I said "therefore", if I say "reposition", please send the medics .

Dennis

 

[Cornerman]

Cornerman,

It's been a couple of days since I watched it but I don't remember Nick looking at the 1 ball at all. I'm guessing that it was a couple of inches past the side pocket and therefore not a good way to play safe.

Oh no, I said "therefore", if say "reposition", please send the medics .

Dennis

That's what I figured. It looks impossible from the TV angle shown, so if he didn't look at it too long, it confirms that the angle wasn't there.

I like lagging under and to the 15, but that passive crap doesn't win against good players.

Fred

 

[Cowboy Dennis]

I like lagging under and to the 15, but that passive crap doesn't win against good players.

Fred

As Efren showed.

RBL

 

[Cowboy Dennis]

That's what I figured. It looks impossible from the TV angle shown, so if he didn't look at it too long, it confirms that the angle wasn't there.

I like lagging under and to the 15, but that passive crap doesn't win against good players.

Fred

Cornerman,

I just looked at the shot on the DVD. Varner never looked at the 1 ball at all. It took him about 10 seconds to decide to kick behind the 15.

Dennis

 

[wincardona]

Bad execution.

Bad execution.

He must of had a bad angle on the one ball that suggested a scratch was inevitable, and the only way of avoiding the scratch was to overcut the one. The problem he had with over cutting the one ball was that there wasn't a guarantee that he could safe up the one, or fall underneath the 15 ball. I believe that he tried to take an intentional and inadvertently struck the one ball.

He had a case of bad execution. Trust me, i'm a doctor.

Billy I.

 

[Cowboy Dennis]

He must of had a bad angle on the one ball that suggested a scratch was inevitable, and the only way of avoiding the scratch was to overcut the one. The problem he had with over cutting the one ball was that there wasn't a guarantee that he could safe up the one, or fall underneath the 15 ball. I believe that he tried to take an intentional and inadvertently struck the one ball.

He had a case of bad execution. Trust me, i'm a doctor.

Billy I.

Bill,

Read post #19.

Dennis