Reyes vs. Varner 1999 D.C.C. Shot #2

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lll said:
dennis in your opinion when faced with the choice above which shot do you think is better.
Larry, I don't know which shot I'd call "better". Neither one are great. I'd shoot the 1 in if it laid right to get the cueball down by the 15.

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It doesnt look like the angle is right to make the 1 and get the q behind the 15. Other wise Varner would have shot that. The 1 ball bank would have been huch harder if the 15 was shot shofter to leave the Q on the rail.
 

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Im not being defensive here but i still beleive pocketing the 1 ball and sliding the cue ball down to below the 15 is the correct shot. Certainly better than the shot Nick executed. It sounds like a lot of our members feel the shot is to difficult, my reply is Nick could execute that shot over and over again. If he thought it was a dead scratch then he could simply pocketed the 1 ball and rolled the cue ball just short of the pocket and Efrin still would not have a shot. Were talking about one of the best players of the game and he certainly had the skills to play this shot. My guess is he made a bad decision kicking the 15 and leaving the 1 ball. Sappo
 

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sappo said:
Im not being defensive here but i still beleive pocketing the 1 ball and sliding the cue ball down to below the 15 is the correct shot. Certainly better than the shot Nick executed. It sounds like a lot of our members feel the shot is to difficult, my reply is Nick could execute that shot over and over again. If he thought it was a dead scratch then he could simply pocketed the 1 ball and rolled the cue ball just short of the pocket and Efrin still would not have a shot. Were talking about one of the best players of the game and he certainly had the skills to play this shot. My guess is he made a bad decision kicking the 15 and leaving the 1 ball. Sappo
Sappo,

I'd shoot the 1 in the side if it laid right, as I wrote. Don't forget that it may not lay right, the camera skews the view of these layouts sometimes.

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Cowboy Dennis said:
Larry, I don't know which shot I'd call "better". Neither one are great. I'd shoot the 1 in if it laid right to get the cueball down by the 15.

Dennis
I think Nick would have also. How long did he stare at the 1-ball before going for the kick on the 15? The 1-ball from the TV angle looks like there's no way to hit it and get good.

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Cornerman said:
I think Nick would have also. How long did he stare at the 1-ball before going for the kick on the 15? The 1-ball from the TV angle looks like there's no way to hit it and get good.

Fred <~~~ knows the TV misleading angles
Cornerman,

It's been a couple of days since I watched it but I don't remember Nick looking at the 1 ball at all. I'm guessing that it was a couple of inches past the side pocket and therefore not a good way to play safe.

Oh no, I said "therefore", if I say "reposition", please send the medics:) .

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Cornerman,

It's been a couple of days since I watched it but I don't remember Nick looking at the 1 ball at all. I'm guessing that it was a couple of inches past the side pocket and therefore not a good way to play safe.

Oh no, I said "therefore", if say "reposition", please send the medics:) .

Dennis
That's what I figured. It looks impossible from the TV angle shown, so if he didn't look at it too long, it confirms that the angle wasn't there.

I like lagging under and to the 15, but that passive crap doesn't win against good players.

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Cornerman said:
That's what I figured. It looks impossible from the TV angle shown, so if he didn't look at it too long, it confirms that the angle wasn't there.

I like lagging under and to the 15, but that passive crap doesn't win against good players.

Fred
Cornerman,

I just looked at the shot on the DVD. Varner never looked at the 1 ball at all. It took him about 10 seconds to decide to kick behind the 15.

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Bad execution.

Bad execution.

He must of had a bad angle on the one ball that suggested a scratch was inevitable, and the only way of avoiding the scratch was to overcut the one. The problem he had with over cutting the one ball was that there wasn't a guarantee that he could safe up the one, or fall underneath the 15 ball. I believe that he tried to take an intentional and inadvertently struck the one ball.

He had a case of bad execution.:eek: Trust me, i'm a doctor.

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wincardona said:
He must of had a bad angle on the one ball that suggested a scratch was inevitable, and the only way of avoiding the scratch was to overcut the one. The problem he had with over cutting the one ball was that there wasn't a guarantee that he could safe up the one, or fall underneath the 15 ball. I believe that he tried to take an intentional and inadvertently struck the one ball.

He had a case of bad execution.:eek: Trust me, i'm a doctor.

Billy I.
Bill,

Read post #19.

Dennis
 
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