Cory in dc
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I said I would post up some more details on how a round robin could be used to accommodate more than 32 players (up to 48) without a time crunch. I also mentioned that it would make each person play more other players in total, and more matches before anyone is eliminated. The main benefit in terms of schedule is that it removes much (not all) of the waiting that usually happens in a double-elimination bracket. Also, two single-elimination brackets have fewer matches than an equal size double-elim bracket.
Here's the basic format:
The groupings in the attached show the basic idea. It's structured so that in a group of 6 players, each person would play 4 others in the group exactly two games (not a race). On the other hand, it would probably consume about 5-6 hours of playing time to get people into the High and Low brackets. I think that works as long as the High and Low single-elim brackets are races to 2 (at least in the early rounds--once a bracket is down to 8, we can check the time and decide to make it races to 3).
Everyone is guaranteed to play 5 other people before being eliminated. Players from each round robin grouping are spread out in the single-elim brackets so that nobody would re-play until the later rounds.
I am a little concerned that the round robin will take too long. We could instead have groups of 6 where everyone plays one game against 5 other people. The problem is that some players would get the break in 3 games and others would get it in just 2 games. Or it could be made so that, in each grouping, everyone plays 2 games against 3 other players instead of 4 (probably my preference).
As you can see in the attached, I have the tie-break set up as a coin flip (only a tie between 2nd and 3rd matters). That could be changed to a break/ball-in-hand run contest for the tie-break, which might be more fun.
This may be a bit over-engineered, but it may be better than double-elim for more than 32 players. Obviously, I'm not at all offended if people prefer a traditional format.
Cory
Here's the basic format:
1. Form 8 round robin groups of up to 6 each.
2. The top two from each group will go to the High bracket (exactly 16) and the rest go to the Low bracket (17-32 players). Both High and Low are single-elimination brackets. There are no byes in the High bracket but there are in the Low bracket.
3. The High bracket has 60% of the money and the Low bracket has 40%. So people have an incentive to go into the High bracket. If the top 3 get paid in each bracket, that's a pretty deep payout.
4. With round robin, the matches don't have to happen in any particular order so I think this could work well with some people there on Friday day and others not till Friday night.
5. To speed it up, final spots in each round robin bracket go into pre-determined spots in the High and Low brackets. That way, we don't need to wait for the entire round robin to finish in order to have a draw and start the High and Low brackets.
6. People will have to write down ball counts for each game in order to break ties.
2. The top two from each group will go to the High bracket (exactly 16) and the rest go to the Low bracket (17-32 players). Both High and Low are single-elimination brackets. There are no byes in the High bracket but there are in the Low bracket.
3. The High bracket has 60% of the money and the Low bracket has 40%. So people have an incentive to go into the High bracket. If the top 3 get paid in each bracket, that's a pretty deep payout.
4. With round robin, the matches don't have to happen in any particular order so I think this could work well with some people there on Friday day and others not till Friday night.
5. To speed it up, final spots in each round robin bracket go into pre-determined spots in the High and Low brackets. That way, we don't need to wait for the entire round robin to finish in order to have a draw and start the High and Low brackets.
6. People will have to write down ball counts for each game in order to break ties.
The groupings in the attached show the basic idea. It's structured so that in a group of 6 players, each person would play 4 others in the group exactly two games (not a race). On the other hand, it would probably consume about 5-6 hours of playing time to get people into the High and Low brackets. I think that works as long as the High and Low single-elim brackets are races to 2 (at least in the early rounds--once a bracket is down to 8, we can check the time and decide to make it races to 3).
Everyone is guaranteed to play 5 other people before being eliminated. Players from each round robin grouping are spread out in the single-elim brackets so that nobody would re-play until the later rounds.
I am a little concerned that the round robin will take too long. We could instead have groups of 6 where everyone plays one game against 5 other people. The problem is that some players would get the break in 3 games and others would get it in just 2 games. Or it could be made so that, in each grouping, everyone plays 2 games against 3 other players instead of 4 (probably my preference).
As you can see in the attached, I have the tie-break set up as a coin flip (only a tie between 2nd and 3rd matters). That could be changed to a break/ball-in-hand run contest for the tie-break, which might be more fun.
This may be a bit over-engineered, but it may be better than double-elim for more than 32 players. Obviously, I'm not at all offended if people prefer a traditional format.
Cory
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