Dr. Bill you know my game by now, we only played 12 or so hours. All the shots mentioned are good ones. Banking the ten ball also works well if hit well. For me therein lies the problem. What if you make the ten ball? Then what? What if you hit it such that you leave a cross corner to your opponents hole? Then what? Jeff and you are aggressive players and I love to watch you both play because you have talents that I don't have and will never have. So suffice it to say, I'm thinning the ten ball and you guys are going to make the ten ball bank and play on from there.