How good was Mike Carella

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The best part of you saying this to me is you just got done telling me you are the greatest authority on the game of Golf period. nobody is close<---That would be correct, sir. and oh yeah you gave Carella the break and first shot( i saw the responses you got for that boast, **nobody believed you.)
P.S from now on when you start your pool stories say once upon a time..<--(like when you were in diapers, maybe ?)
As my good buddy Fred always sez..."It ain't braggin', if its da trute".:cool:..Plus, you can always ask RA, if I didn't give him that exact weight, (and win with it) on more than one occassion....And at that time, I think Ronnie played golf, better than Carella..at least it was an easier game for me..(didn't have to fade the shark)..;)...(and who is **nobody ? ....You maybe ?)..:lol

SuperDuck <--Will not bore the Hacker, with any more of his 'legitimate' brags...Its wasted on a guy who already knows it ALL !..

PS..You really need to brush up on your research before you spout something you know nothing about...(Like almost everything, but, especially Golf)..You might want to check with guys like RA, Grady, Buddy Hall, or Scott Frost, to name a few...Several games I couldn't beat them at, But Golf, or One Pocket on a snooker table, was NOT among them...:sorry

PPS..I KNOW I'm living in the past these days, but when your pushing 80, (and it's pushing back)..I feel (like Fred) entitled, to flap my gums on a pool forum...Whats your excuse ?????..:)
 
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I am taking a deep breath, I do remember, Whitey good, Beanie Bad. And incidentally, Whitey loved me (and not in a sexual way either).:lol
I have forgotten M/C's? Maybe if you gave me the "M" I could figure it out.

Steve, I know you a little. There is no way you could ever be a pal of Carella's. On a personal level he would be eligible for a beating from you every other day.

Beard

One more question, who would you bet on playing 9 Ball? Carella vs, Mataya,
Billy Johnson, or Toby Sweet?
M/C = Motorcycle Club :rolleyes:


I got along with everybody for one reason or another. It wasn't like we were pals, I did some stuff and he took care of me and even extra. I didn't see him long enough for us to become friends but I still thought he was alright and if something did happen then I guess he would have ended up in the dumpster.

We know he was pretty god damn arrogant when he was playing good but who isn't.



So back to the subject...I made sure I asked around so I could be more sure about everything.


When Carella came up to Detroit it was with Bill Bailey (I dont know who that is by the way). I guess he didn't do too good and Bill went back and left Carella here.

Then from what I understand Cardone started staking him and it wasn't much better.

Then I guess Jerry Howard took over and Mike really started beating some people and making some scores.



Now on to the 9-ball part.

I guess Mike did wolf at Mataya to play while he was here in Detroit....but he would only play him one-pocket....nothing else, so I think we have to take that how it sounds. Jimmy would play him ANYTHING BUT....one-pocket and Mike wouldn't.

Personally I liked Carella over them guys....at that time....based on what I saw with that monster one pocket game of his. I know its apples to oranges but anybody running THAT many balls ALL the time, jeez.


Now a side note that Enzo actually brought up to Billy Incardona at DCC.

I guess Mike pissed Billy off in Detroit about something where Billy got real mad and unloaded the bankroll on the table (40,000 or so) and told him to get his nuts up there and play some 9-ball.....Carella passed on it. I suppose Billy could play a little 9-ball.

So I was probably wrong about what I thought of his 9 ball game because if he could have been able to beat all them guys playing at The Rack he would have been able to make millions but we'll never know.....so my opinion is still valid.


And incidentally, I love ya too (and not in a sexual way either :sorry :lol). I swear every time I see your name or see you, I can picture Red saying in that long drawn out way "Freddy da beeeeeeeerd".

P.S. The pockets at The Rack were 5" not 5 1/2"
 

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Since Ervolino came up. In the late 90's (97, 98, 99, and 2000) At the finally florida tour event of the year they ran a one pocket event. Steve Mizerak, Steve Cook, Danny Diliberto, Buddy Hall, Dick Weaver, John Ditoro, Slim Carney, as well as a shit load of other really good players. Ervolino won it all 4 years.
He was 62-65 those years
He came to Houston in 1997 for Jersey Red's funeral. He wasn't able to beat the better one pocket players here. He might've beaten us hackers but he wasn't interested, he wanted to play the better players. :eek:
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He was like wine

He was like wine

Like him or hate him Ervolino could play every game GREAT.
Johnny imo was a player that not only played great, he played great late in life in his older years too. It seemed that he never lost that top speed (kinda) he just played consistently well, well into the years.

I learned quite a bit playing with Johnny, imo he was one of the most knowledgeable players I ever played. Plus he was one of the most aggressive players to play the game of one pocket, back in the day.

Johnny seemed to mellow out a lot after he reached the age of 60:lol he seemed like a different person then he was, especially when he was in his 40's.:eek:

But he could "flat out play"

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Johnny imo was a player that not only played great, he played great late in life in his older years too. It seemed that he never lost that top speed (kinda) he just played consistently well, well into the years.

I learned quite a bit playing with Johnny, imo he was one of the most knowledgeable players I ever played. Plus he was one of the most aggressive players to play the game of one pocket, back in the day.

Johnny seemed to mellow out a lot after he reached the age of 60:lol he seemed like a different person then he was, especially when he was in his 40's.:eek:

But he could "flat out play"

Dr. Bill
Johnny was the most knowledgeable player i have been around. I have learned things from Mizerak, Buddy, Danny D and imo Johnny was the most knowledgeable. Watching him play straight pool was beautiful. Here is a funny story about Johnny playing 9 ball. In about 2002 there was a Florida Tour event at Capones in Spring hill Florida. Its owned by Rocky Mcelroy. Butch and Brenda were backing Johnny in the tournament. Well before the tournament starts Butch takes 10 to 1 that Johnny wins the tournament. Johnny was 66 at the time. Butch put up 500 to win 5000. Johnny was playing the semi finals to get into the final. It was a race to 9 and it was double hill. Butch was standing upstairs directly above the table sweating the match. Butch was a little guy with huge coke bottle glasses( like you see in the movies where the persons eyes look huge looking through them. Johnny is at the table but there are a couple of clusters on the table so a runout was really unlikely. Johnny is shooting the 1 ball and he is trying to make a decent bridge on the table because object balls are around the cueball. They were playing cueball fouls only. Johnny puts his bridge hand down and bumps a ball, and he moves it back. Johnny puts his bridge hand down and barely moves another ball and puts it back LOL Butch is sweating this from above the whole time. Johnny goes for a 3rd time moves a ball again than when he goes to put it back he moves another ball and finally he gets so pissed off he rakes the whole ****ing table and walks away. LOL LOL Butch's face is priceless!!
 

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Ervolino reprint

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Johnny was the most knowledgeable player i have been around. I have learned things from Mizerak, Buddy, Danny D and imo Johnny was the most knowledgeable. Watching him play straight pool was beautiful. Here is a funny story about Johnny playing 9 ball. In about 2002 there was a Florida Tour event at Capones in Spring hill Florida. Its owned by Rocky Mcelroy. Butch and Brenda were backing Johnny in the tournament. Well before the tournament starts Butch takes 10 to 1 that Johnny wins the tournament. Johnny was 66 at the time. Butch put up 500 to win 5000. Johnny was playing the semi finals to get into the final. It was a race to 9 and it was double hill. Butch was standing upstairs directly above the table sweating the match. Butch was a little guy with huge coke bottle glasses( like you see in the movies where the persons eyes look huge looking through them. Johnny is at the table but there are a couple of clusters on the table so a runout was really unlikely. Johnny is shooting the 1 ball and he is trying to make a decent bridge on the table because object balls are around the cueball. They were playing cueball fouls only. Johnny puts his bridge hand down and bumps a ball, and he moves it back. Johnny puts his bridge hand down and barely moves another ball and puts it back LOL Butch is sweating this from above the whole time. Johnny goes for a 3rd time moves a ball again than when he goes to put it back he moves another ball and finally he gets so pissed off he rakes the whole ****ing table and walks away. LOL LOL Butch's face is priceless!!

I have posted this before, but I am sure Hacker has never seen it. This is an excerpt from my book, The GosPool:


Brooklyn Johnny Ervolino (now departed; a great player and an old friend).

I once tried to bite him in Los Angeles. He turned me down understandably, citing that he was broke. I ran into him next in Las Vegas, where on a roll I won about $15,000 on the dice tables. He bit me for $900!

His compelling justification for the bite was this original line: "When you was broke and desperate in LA, and you come to me asking for money, what did I say to you?" My reply was a dumb, blank, inquisitive stare. Johnny continued, " I told you if I had it, you could get anything you want, right? Now, how are you going to treat me?" Behind that seemingly, flawless logic, I eagerly un-assed the $900.

It wasn't until later, when I came to my senses, that I realized that he had never actually given me anything but a promise. In reality, he turned me down! I did learn something, though. What a wonderful way to duck the incoming bite, and then pave the way for a future bite for yourself.

Beard
 

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I have posted this before, but I am sure Hacker has never seen it. This is an excerpt from my book, The GosPool:


Brooklyn Johnny Ervolino (now departed; a great player and an old friend).

I once tried to bite him in Los Angeles. He turned me down understandably, citing that he was broke. I ran into him next in Las Vegas, where on a roll I won about $15,000 on the dice tables. He bit me for $900!

His compelling justification for the bite was this original line: "When you was broke and desperate in LA, and you come to me asking for money, what did I say to you?" My reply was a dumb, blank, inquisitive stare. Johnny continued, " I told you if I had it, you could get anything you want, right? Now, how are you going to treat me?" Behind that seemingly, flawless logic, I eagerly un-assed the $900.

It wasn't until later, when I came to my senses, that I realized that he had never actually given me anything but a promise. In reality, he turned me down! I did learn something, though. What a wonderful way to duck the incoming bite, and then pave the way for a future bite for yourself.

Beard
LMFAO thats great
 

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I have posted this before, but I am sure Hacker has never seen it. This is an excerpt from my book, The GosPool:


Brooklyn Johnny Ervolino (now departed; a great player and an old friend).

I once tried to bite him in Los Angeles. He turned me down understandably, citing that he was broke. I ran into him next in Las Vegas, where on a roll I won about $15,000 on the dice tables. He bit me for $900!

His compelling justification for the bite was this original line: "When you was broke and desperate in LA, and you come to me asking for money, what did I say to you?" My reply was a dumb, blank, inquisitive stare. Johnny continued, " I told you if I had it, you could get anything you want, right? Now, how are you going to treat me?" Behind that seemingly, flawless logic, I eagerly un-assed the $900.

It wasn't until later, when I came to my senses, that I realized that he had never actually given me anything but a promise. In reality, he turned me down! I did learn something, though. What a wonderful way to duck the incoming bite, and then pave the way for a future bite for yourself.

Beard
About 10 or 11 years ago myself, Ervolino, and John Ditoro went to Calder race track and we ran into Danny D. We are all sitting together betting so i make a bet 3 bet. I have a few horses in the first race and one is 14 to 1 and it wins and Ervolino, Danny, and Ditoro are like ok cool. Well the 2nd race comes and i have a few horses and one is i think about 18 to 1 and it wins. Now Ervolino Danny and Ditoro really take notice. I have 6 of the 8 horses in the 3rd race. The 2 i dont have are 60 and 70 to 1 respectively. They were complete garbageon PAPER. I had 6 horses and the cheapets payout for the horses i have is going to be $ 4800. As the race is getting ready to start i have Ervolino hanging on one shoulder and Diliberto hanging on the other ready to BITE LMFAO. Ditoro was laughing his ass off. The race goes off and the 2 horses i dont have take off out of the starting gate and go first second all the way around the track and i dont even get a call on any of my hoirses. Unbelievable. The 2 horses beat the field by 8 lengths. I look around and Ervolino and Diliberto were GONE LMFAO
 

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The race goes off and the 2 horses i dont have take off out of the starting gate and go first second all the way around the track and i dont even get a call on any of my hoirses. Unbelievable. The 2 horses beat the field by 8 lengths. I look around and Ervolino and Diliberto were GONE LMFAO
Great story Hacker...But, commonly refered to as "avoiding the issue" (for two days now)..:eek:..See post #81..:p :p :p
 
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insurance

insurance

a $5 exacta box on the two you didn't have would have got you about 2500. and some new friends
 

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About 10 or 11 years ago myself, Ervolino, and John Ditoro went to Calder race track and we ran into Danny D. We are all sitting together betting so i make a bet 3 bet. I have a few horses in the first race and one is 14 to 1 and it wins and Ervolino, Danny, and Ditoro are like ok cool. Well the 2nd race comes and i have a few horses and one is i think about 18 to 1 and it wins. Now Ervolino Danny and Ditoro really take notice. I have 6 of the 8 horses in the 3rd race. The 2 i dont have are 60 and 70 to 1 respectively. They were complete garbageon PAPER. I had 6 horses and the cheapets payout for the horses i have is going to be $ 4800. As the race is getting ready to start i have Ervolino hanging on one shoulder and Diliberto hanging on the other ready to BITE LMFAO. Ditoro was laughing his ass off. The race goes off and the 2 horses i dont have take off out of the starting gate and go first second all the way around the track and i dont even get a call on any of my hoirses. Unbelievable. The 2 horses beat the field by 8 lengths. I look around and Ervolino and Diliberto were GONE LMFAO
Ervolino's best game wasn't pool, for those who may be interested. His best game was hustling craps at the Las Vegas casinos. He would frequent casinos daily and hunt inexperienced crap shooters that had a lot of chips, he then would position himself next to them at the table and would converse with them wile they were playing. He would advise them of the percentages of the bets they were making and the reason it was wrong to play the way they were playing, in a matter of just minutes the inexperienced player would be following Ervolino's advice, then Johnny would explain to the player that if he took control of the chips and physically played he would be able to win the max, plus it would speed the process. Once Ervolino took control of the chips you would understand ..then...why he was considered one of the greatest movers ever.:D There's an art to everything

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You aint a horseplayer

You aint a horseplayer

About 10 or 11 years ago myself, Ervolino, and John Ditoro went to Calder race track and we ran into Danny D. We are all sitting together betting so i make a bet 3 bet. I have a few horses in the first race and one is 14 to 1 and it wins and Ervolino, Danny, and Ditoro are like ok cool. Well the 2nd race comes and i have a few horses and one is i think about 18 to 1 and it wins. Now Ervolino Danny and Ditoro really take notice. I have 6 of the 8 horses in the 3rd race. The 2 i dont have are 60 and 70 to 1 respectively. They were complete garbageon PAPER. I had 6 horses and the cheapets payout for the horses i have is going to be $ 4800. As the race is getting ready to start i have Ervolino hanging on one shoulder and Diliberto hanging on the other ready to BITE LMFAO. Ditoro was laughing his ass off. The race goes off and the 2 horses i dont have take off out of the starting gate and go first second all the way around the track and i dont even get a call on any of my hoirses. Unbelievable. The 2 horses beat the field by 8 lengths. I look around and Ervolino and Diliberto were GONE LMFAO

If you wuz a real horseplayer you would have had a $50 win bet on each of the two longshots. That would have insured a nice payoff no matter what happened. I am very surprised that Danny and Johnny didnt suggest that.

I did do something of the same thing once, however. But it would have cost me a lot more to take out insurance. I had five horses in, in a pick six at Oaklawn Park. The payoff was going to be 50k.(as it turned out) because there were no winners that day. I had 4 of the 6 horse in the last race. One was impossible and the other was 4 to 1. It turned out that my road partner, Tall Al -- a top notch handicapper -- loved the horse I didnt have. He apologized to me for having to bet against me in the race, but he said he had been waiting all day to play this horse. I had known that he liked this horse, but I didnt, and didnt use him. He bet $400 to win on the horse and he begged me to bet $2000 to win on him also (I had plenty bankroll at that time). That way I would either win $8000 r $50,000. Like the mule head that I am, I thought I couldnt lose with my four and didnt use his horse.
You know the end of the story. His horse won easy and paid $10. Nobody hit the pick 6.

Now here is the real capper. The very next day I played the pick six again and Fate apologized, and I hit it! However, there were multiple winners and I "only" got back 15k.

Beard
 

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Great story Hacker...But, commonly refered to as "avoiding the issue" (for two days now)..:eek:....See posts #81 and #83..:p :p :p
You again huh. Im not allowed to pick on the " house rats" anymore. You are a little to thin skinned for being around me. I love you guys who love to needle and dish it out but when you get it back you raise your hand and tell the teacher you're being picked on. Must say you have a good offense but pathetic defense.
 

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If you wuz a real horseplayer you would have had a $50 win bet on each of the two longshots. That would have insured a nice payoff no matter what happened. I am very surprised that Danny and Johnny didnt suggest that.

I did do something of the same thing once, however. But it would have cost me a lot more to take out insurance. I had five horses in, in a pick six at Oaklawn Park. The payoff was going to be 50k.(as it turned out) because there were no winners that day. I had 4 of the 6 horse in the last race. One was impossible and the other was 4 to 1. It turned out that my road partner, Tall Al -- a top notch handicapper -- loved the horse I didnt have. He apologized to me for having to bet against me in the race, but he said he had been waiting all day to play this horse. I had known that he liked this horse, but I didnt, and didnt use him. He bet $400 to win on the horse and he begged me to bet $2000 to win on him also (I had plenty bankroll at that time). That way I would either win $8000 r $50,000. Like the mule head that I am, I thought I couldnt lose with my four and didnt use his horse.
You know the end of the story. His horse won easy and paid $10. Nobody hit the pick 6.

Now here is the real capper. The very next day I played the pick six again and Fate apologized, and I hit it! However, there were multiple winners and I "only" got back 15k.

Beard
That story only solidifies what I have been trying to convince people of about you. Not only are you as stubborn as anyone I know ..your twice as stupid..


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If you wuz a real horseplayer you would have had a $50 win bet on each of the two longshots. That would have insured a nice payoff no matter what happened. I am very surprised that Danny and Johnny didnt suggest that.

I did do something of the same thing once, however. But it would have cost me a lot more to take out insurance. I had five horses in, in a pick six at Oaklawn Park. The payoff was going to be 50k.(as it turned out) because there were no winners that day. I had 4 of the 6 horse in the last race. One was impossible and the other was 4 to 1. It turned out that my road partner, Tall Al -- a top notch handicapper -- loved the horse I didnt have. He apologized to me for having to bet against me in the race, but he said he had been waiting all day to play this horse. I had known that he liked this horse, but I didnt, and didnt use him. He bet $400 to win on the horse and he begged me to bet $2000 to win on him also (I had plenty bankroll at that time). That way I would either win $8000 r $50,000. Like the mule head that I am, I thought I couldnt lose with my four and didnt use his horse.
You know the end of the story. His horse won easy and paid $10. Nobody hit the pick 6.

Now here is the real capper. The very next day I played the pick six again and Fate apologized, and I hit it! However, there were multiple winners and I "only" got back 15k.

Beard
Im not a horse player but the other 3 sure are LMFAO. You are right i should of bet on the other 2, i realized after the fact. I was surprised none of them suggested that. I think they all thought i had the dead NUTS on the last race( they were all probaly daydreaming would to bite me for!!) lol
 

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That story only solidifies what I have been trying to convince people of about you. Not only are you as stubborn as anyone I know ..your twice as stupid..


Dr. Bill
Move over, you have a new friend in the Hacker.:lol

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He came to Houston in 1997 for Jersey Red's funeral. He wasn't able to beat the better one pocket players here. He might've beaten us hackers but he wasn't interested, he wanted to play the better players. :eek:
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I dont know who he played in Houston. All i can tell you is what he did here. As far as when he was younger the GENTLEMEN that post regulary on this forum could forget about beating him. I was in Alabama about 4 months ago(tuscaloosa) I met Marshall(squirrel) Carpenter and we talked for a long time. It was great to hear all his stories. He was funny as hell. He told me Ervolino retired him from pool when Squirrel was considered the best one pocket player in the world. It was in the 60's i think he said around 1967 it was at The Stardust in las vegas, not exactly sure of the year. He said he was playing Ervolino one pocket, he was giving Johnny 8 to 7. He said they were betting 200 a game but the guy backing squirrel had a legal notebook pad out and i was taking all the side bets. EVERYONE was betting on Ervolino. Squirrel said the guy had 1 whole column plus half the next column filled up with side bets. Squirrel said it was the most he ever played for in his life. He said Ervolino had him stuck 13 games, Squirrel won 4 in a row and Johnny quit LOL Squirrel said he broke his cue and went to the golf course for 20 years.
 
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Move over, you have a new friend in the Hacker.:lol

Dr. Bill
LOL sorry im not as perfect as you Billy. It must be nice to go through life as you have without ever making a gambling mistake...wait you made one...make that 2 :D
 
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LOL sorry im not as perfect as you Billy. It must be nice to go through life as you have without ever making a gambling mistake...wait you made one...make that 2 :D
That's why i'm going to go into retirement...i'm tired of losing.

Dr. Bill :):p:)
 
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