handicap question 15 to 8

tonygreen

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When I was a 25 year old kid an old timer used to tell me all the time "If you want to win money at this game you need two things a guy that can't play and has money". So I play poker in the local casino and I make prop bets with people all the time like i bet $20 bucks a fly lands on my coffee cup before yours etc. Im usually attempting to set a hustle up and try and get guys to play games outside of poker, with the intention of ultimately landing on a pool table. I gave this one guy 8 to 5 and I beat him and now he wants 8 to 4 and i dont want to give it to him but im wondering if he will bite at 15 to 8 (i think he will like the way it sounds so enticing). He cannot run two balls at a time, I can run 4 or so , spot them and push balls uptable and continue. My question is for the goal of getting him to take the game vs. the pressure on me to give him half the game at 8 to 4. I offered 10 to 5 but quite honestly I dont like that game. I NEVER ever play 9ball n 8ball. Is 15 to 8 equivalent to the 8 to 5 ... the handicap chart helps but not too much in my situation. I can win a weeks salary in this game as opposed to struggling with the locals in my room and the house getting the money.
 

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tonygreen said:
I gave this one guy 8 to 5 and I beat him and now he wants 8 to 4 and i dont want to give it to him but im wondering if he will bite at 15 to 8 (i think he will like the way it sounds so enticing). He cannot run two balls at a time, I can run 4 or so , spot them and push balls uptable and continue. My question is for the goal of getting him to take the game vs. the pressure on me to give him half the game at 8 to 4. I offered 10 to 5 but quite honestly I dont like that game. I NEVER ever play 9ball n 8ball. Is 15 to 8 equivalent to the 8 to 5 ... the handicap chart helps but not too much in my situation. I can win a weeks salary in this game as opposed to struggling with the locals in my room and the house getting the money.
TG,

If you win 8-5 you'll be flat out stealing at 15-8.

P.S. If he won't take 15-8 offer him 8-5 and his fouls don't count. He may like that.

Dennis
 

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tonygreen said:
Is 15 to 8 equivalent to the 8 to 5 ... the handicap chart helps but not too much in my situation.
Giving 15/8 should be about like 8-9/6-5 In my opinion. :confused:
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Cowboy Dennis said:
TG,

If you win 8-5 you'll be flat out stealing at 15-8.

P.S. If he won't take 15-8 offer him 8-5 and his fouls don't count. He may like that.

Dennis
Don't tell me we're going there again? What's a scratch worth?:D

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dennis and rod
could you expand on how you came to that conclusions
and for dennis why would 15-8 be stealing if you win at 8-5?
 

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androd said:
Giving 15/8 should be about like 8-9/6-5 In my opinion.
Rod.
Would you please interpret what you mean?:confused:

Is that the same as - $1.15 as opposed to + $1.20?:D

Or in playing 9 ball is that the difference in getting the 6 and 9 balls as a spot, as opposed to getting the 8 and 9 balls? ;)

Or in betting football is that the difference in getting 1 point as opposed to getting 3 points?:eek:

Or in a more common language is that the difference of winning or losing?:)

Billy I.
 

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Thanks Dennis, I am thinking that the 15 to 8 makes it a much much longer game and gives me a greater edge (maybe a 15% increased edge) the only problem or concern is when i make 1 or 2 and spot them up I really find it necessary to get the balls moved up table.
 

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I'm pretty good at math and physics but this stuff goes so far over my head it isn't even silly. 8 to 5 is only 3 balls; 15 to 8 is 7 balls; what's the logic? BTW it just so happens a guy at the pool hall talked me into giving him 12 to 3 last Sunday and I drilled him but it was only one game and I would have to assume I couldn't do it all day. What's a better sounding spot that's more on my side?
 

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petie said:
I'm pretty good at math and physics but this stuff goes so far over my head it isn't even silly. 8 to 5 is only 3 balls; 15 to 8 is 7 balls; what's the logic? BTW it just so happens a guy at the pool hall talked me into giving him 12 to 3 last Sunday and I drilled him but it was only one game and I would have to assume I couldn't do it all day. What's a better sounding spot that's more on my side?
If you are a far superior player to him, I would (just a guess) say you could give him 16 or 17 to 8, and have an easier game than 8 to 4....Its all about getting the ball count up, that the weaker player needs to go to, then you have more time to control the game...There were a ton of guys I used to gamble with, that I could not win 8 to 4, but I would be stealing at 20 to 10..Trouble is, they catch on to that pretty quick..:cool:
 

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petie said:
I'm pretty good at math and physics but this stuff goes so far over my head it isn't even silly. 8 to 5 is only 3 balls; 15 to 8 is 7 balls; what's the logic? BTW it just so happens a guy at the pool hall talked me into giving him 12 to 3 last Sunday and I drilled him but it was only one game and I would have to assume I couldn't do it all day. What's a better sounding spot that's more on my side?
petie
i guess its why the heavy weights give/gave dave big spots
their ability to run balls and play safe makes the extra balls a lower percentage handicap/hurdle to overcome than the balls dave had to get to

since tonygreen isnt alex or scott(no dissrespect intended)
what tony has to ask himself is the burden on him to get to 15 (7 more balls)
less of a burden than his opponent getting to 8 (4 more balls)
 

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androd said:
Giving 15/8 should be about like 8-9/6-5 In my opinion.
Rod.
wincardona said:
Would you please interpret what you mean?:confused:

Is that the same as - $1.15 as opposed to + $1.20?

Or in playing 9 ball is that the difference in getting the 6 and 9 balls as a spot, as opposed to getting the 8 and 9 balls? ;)

Or in betting football is that the difference in getting 1 point as opposed to getting 3 points?

Or in a more common language is that the difference of winning or losing?:)

Billy I.
Sorry for the confusion. I was trying to say 8/5 or 9/6, It's probably a little better for the better player than that. Although you're the percentages man.
As for baseball and football there's no difference unless you lose.
As for nine ball you're probably going to play more than one game.
So we'll have to consult 9 ball billy. :D
Rod.
P.S. The long run is brutal if you have a little the worst of it. :eek:
 

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Thanks for the answers you guys. I'm still not sure I get it but I'll try to experiment with it and see how I do. Any more explaination on this issue might be helpful.
 

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wincardona said:
Don't tell me we're going there again? What's a scratch worth?:D

Billy I.
You know I had to put that in there for you Bill:D , besides, if I was
winning 8-5 I'd give the guy 8-5 & scratches don't count before I'd give him 8-4.;)

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petie said:
Thanks for the answers you guys. I'm still not sure I get it but I'll try to experiment with it and see how I do. Any more explaination on this issue might be helpful.
Petie,

The operative number is how many balls the weaker player has to make, for the most part. The longer the game goes the more times he's going to foul. When the weaker player makes a mistake the better player does more with it so he'll get more chances in a longer game too.

Dennis
 

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lengthening the game out helps you, but it also makes the games take longer. so you must bet much more money per game as the worst player will wake up sooner that he cant win.

the same with knocking the balls up table. the worst player gets to see who is best easily.
 
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