Ghost vs. Tony 3 wwyd

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In these spots I always look for the roadmap that keeps the cue ball in the center of the table, hopefully away from other balls and rails so to not have a weird bridge hand or to fall straight in on a ball with limited space to work.

My choice would be 13 - 2/14 - 3. Once I get shape on the 3 I can decide how to proceed, as I think the 15, 12 and 8 all have reasonable chances of being the out balls in this spot.
 

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Just shows to go you, different strokes for different folks. Drawing off the 12 for the eight is right for some, while following off the 12 for the 15/10 is easier for others.

For me, the natural shot is the follow off the 12, once I set the CB, all concentration goes to the OB and very little to the CB. The margin for error in speed is very large since I have an insurance ball ( the 15 ) once I fall on either the 10 or the 15, then I can decide which direction I'm going to next from much closer to all object balls.

Drawing off the 12 works also, and if the other option weren't available, no question, I'd shoot it. The hacker is gonna jump on me for this, but I've scratched off that option before by over stroking a tiny bit, granted you gotta butcher it to do that, but sometimes Murphy's Law applies.

Whatever, it's a WWYD, and that's WIWD.

I yield for my tongue lashing, goard head Hack, let me have it.
 

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The proper way to run these balls is 12 to the 8 trying to get straight on the 8 so you can bank the 5 ball next and then fall on the 10 15. After that you are gone. The reason you go from the 12 to the 8 is because if you dont get straight in on the 8 then you have to have an angle.. well if you have an angle you then go from the 8 to the 10/15 balls and THEN back down for the 5 ball. Once you get rid of the 5 ball your opponents only threat is gone.... Ervolino was a master at running balls like these. You have way more margin of error going from the 12 to the 8 then you do from the 12 to the 10/15 balls... Plus if you get on the 8 right away you might end up with the perfect angle to make the 8 and go nudge the 14 ball leaving you the 13 and 3 next.

The 12 to the 8 gives you so many follow up options with the least degree of getting screwed by your cue ball going too short or far with your opening shot
Good points, but for me either speed (rolling or drawing) to go to the 8 is wrong for a shot that is a must-make. Going straight to the 10/15 is my most accurate speed at this distance. (Yeah, I know, Who am I gonna beat?....My sister, if I don't miss the 12. :eek: )
 

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Just shows to go you, different strokes for different folks. Drawing off the 12 for the eight is right for some, while following off the 12 for the 15/10 is easier for others.

For me, the natural shot is the follow off the 12, once I set the CB, all concentration goes to the OB and very little to the CB. The margin for error in speed is very large since I have an insurance ball ( the 15 ) once I fall on either the 10 or the 15, then I can decide which direction I'm going to next from much closer to all object balls.

Drawing off the 12 works also, and if the other option weren't available, no question, I'd shoot it. The hacker is gonna jump on me for this, but I've scratched off that option before by over stroking a tiny bit, granted you gotta butcher it to do that, but sometimes Murphy's Law applies.

Whatever, it's a WWYD, and that's WIWD.

I yield for my tongue lashing, goard head Hack, let me have it.
LOL, almost exactly what I was thinkin'/sayin', so maybe my paranoid way to go ain't so bad. :)
 

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There's 6 different offensive choices/balls that go in your pocket to choose from in this wwyd - something for everyone...

Greedily wanting to continue my ongoing run of 5 balls, I banked the 5ball straight back - just missed it - meant to leave Tony on the head rail next to the bottom right pocket, but accidentally pocket scratched in that pocket :mad:

So Tony now has ball in hand --- 91the ball score is 4-0, Ghost ahead, Tony going to 7 --- Tony's pocket is at the top right --- wwyd/how would you plan to run balls?

PS, The 3ball and the 1ball are both equally 1/8" off the rail...the 2ball does not have room to go in between the 13 and 3 (But I'm sure some ass-clown will try and get it through there with their mouse and keyboard :lol ).

PPS, Tony plays ok, moves/knows the game pretty well..but he is 72 yrs. old and doesn't shoot super-straight anymore - I give him 11-7...so his shot choice may not be the same as most on here.
This is a very interesting situation because of the position of the 12ball and 8ball. There's nothing natural about going from the 12ball to the 8ball, you need to draw away from the 8ball if you're choosing this route and that's where your problems begin. Same problems going from the 12ball to either the 10ball or 15ball, you need to draw away from the 8ball. If the 12ball was laying on the angle that a soft follow would produce position on the 8ball and a med. speed follow would produce position on the two stripes then starting with the 12ball would be a "no brainer" With this understanding you now have a reason to look at the two combinations that are available and weigh up the degree of difficulty either combination produces. Another huge factor in deciding the correct shot would be the pocket size and how forgiving the pockets are you're shooting into. Obviously with forgiving pockets the combinations are much more appealing then on smaller pockets and it wouldn't be wrong (imo) to start the run shooting one of the combinations. If I were to start with one of the combinations it would be the one Tyler chose, 14ball into the 13ball. This combination if pocketed will open up the table nicely and offer the shooter a multitude of options to complete the run. Also by choosing the 14-13ball combination there's a good chance that if it's missed you won't give up a good return shot to your opponent, which should be factored into the equation when choosing options.

Now, i'm in total agreement with the players that would start with the 12ball and play position for the 8ball...if a soft follow would produce natural position for the 8ball, however, I don't believe that's the case.

Dr. Bill
 

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I wasn't shooting the combo bill I was shooting the 13 straight in. Did I misread something I think we got ball in hand no?

I think for me I will make the 13 as often as the 8, and feel I'm getting a shot off the 13 and things will be open. Maybe Not the most orthodox choice but that's what I'd do.

Here's my thinking on this I'd like to explain it. We like to think we play real good position and once we get in line we can put the cb on a spot and get that 13. That don't happen many times. You gotta win the game here. Shoot that 13, make it the balls are all open and I think it gives you the best chance to win right now. A better player with a better cb may want to play it differently of course.
 
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For those that want to start with a combo :lol:lol:lol:lol:lol Hey guys here is a basic hint that "PLAYERS":rolleyes: with your "knowledge and skill":rolleyes: should have learned the first day of one pocket class.. The only shot that leaves nothing if you miss and the most if you make it is the 12 to the 8.. You have ball in hand.. any of you prop bettors want to play this scenario out let me know.. This is so common sense its a joke..

Once again Lord please give me a room full of these guys
 

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By the way if I had to play any combo from this position, I would be playing the 2 into 3 ball and stopping on the 14 ball. If I make it I get the 1 ball next and if I miss the combo I don't sell completely out like the rest of you guys LMFAO..
 

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To quote a line from one of my favorite movies.. Cholla .. Why me Lord.. you made other men out of clay.. mine you made out of shiit:lol:lol:lol
 

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For those that want to start with a combo :lol:lol:lol:lol:lol Hey guys here is a basic hint that "PLAYERS":rolleyes: with your "knowledge and skill":rolleyes: should have learned the first day of one pocket class.. The only shot that leaves nothing if you miss and the most if you make it is the 12 to the 8.. You have ball in hand.. any of you prop bettors want to play this scenario out let me know.. This is so common sense its a joke..

Once again Lord please give me a room full of these guys
You have ball in hand behind the "head string" isn't that the way one pocket is played when your opponent scratches? If you had ball in hand any where then i'm starting with the 13ball like Tyler..windows open.

If you think playing position for the 8ball off the 12ball is easy you're mistaken again. There's nothing easy about starting with the 12ball other than the pocketing of the shot. However, since you need to draw the shot then your make percentage goes down, plus playing for the 8ball your target area for the cue ball isn't all that large.

The combination is straight in no more than 12" apart, for a decent ball striker you have to be a 75% favorite to make it and for a good ball striker more in the line of close to 90%.

If you want to call your next ball i'll take a player like Danny Smith and he'll start out with the combo and you can start out with the 12ball to the 8ball. Would that be something you like? ...Waiting for your answer..

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For those that want to start with a combo :lol:lol:lol:lol:lol Hey guys here is a basic hint that "PLAYERS":rolleyes: with your "knowledge and skill":rolleyes: should have learned the first day of one pocket class.. The only shot that leaves nothing if you miss and the most if you make it is the 12 to the 8.. You have ball in hand.. any of you prop bettors want to play this scenario out let me know.. This is so common sense its a joke..

Once again Lord please give me a room full of these guys

I hear tell they will be a herd of them in Houston in late October.
Come on down, or over, should be some loose action available for a good player.
 

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You have ball in hand behind the "head string" isn't that the way one pocket is played when your opponent scratches? If you had ball in hand any where then i'm starting with the 13ball like Tyler..windows open.

If you think playing position for the 8ball off the 12ball is easy you're mistaken again. There's nothing easy about starting with the 12ball other than the pocketing of the shot. However, since you need to draw the shot then your make percentage goes down, plus playing for the 8ball your target area for the cue ball isn't all that large.

The combination is straight in no more than 12" apart, for a decent ball striker you have to be a 75% favorite to make it and for a good ball striker more in the line of close to 90%.

If you want to call your next ball i'll take a player like Danny Smith and he'll start out with the combo and you can start out with the 12ball to the 8ball. Would that be something you like? ...Waiting for your answer..

Dr. Bill
What I would like is YOU to shoot YOUR shot.. LOL I love these are WHAT WOULD YOU DO yet everytime there is a prop bet you guys want a pinch hitter LMFAO So obviously you dont want to shoot the combo yourself so maybe just maybe you should have some common sense and shoot the shot that doesn't leave anything if you miss.. As far as calling my next ball you just won my argument for me THANKS:lol The reason you shoot the 12 ball is because no matter where I land I can get on 5 different balls after making the 8 ball..
 

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By the way if I had to play any combo from this position, I would be playing the 2 into 3 ball and stopping on the 14 ball. If I make it I get the 1 ball next and if I miss the combo I don't sell completely out like the rest of you guys LMFAO..
I thought you quit smoking crack, how are you going to stop on the 14ball after shooting the 2ball into the 3ball combo?:confused: If you stop your ball and miss you sell out the 8ball. For a good ball striker the 2ball into the 3ball isn't a bad shot and should be considered, like I mentioned, either combination should be an option in this spot because of the problems one will have going from the 12ball to the next ball, especially to the 8ball.:heh

If you take me up on my proposal with me getting Danny Smith to play against you with you starting with the 12ball to the 8ball and he starting with the 13ball combination to the 2ball combination you will be once again on the short bus. After that's over you won't have any money left to not take a bus.

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I hear tell they will be a herd of them in Houston in late October.
Come on down, or over, should be some loose action available for a good player.
Actually when it comes to older players I do have a lot of respect for them so I never woofed at them out of that respect... HOWEVER.. a few of your line up made the mistake of challenging me.... Monkeys should know what tree to climb:D
 

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What I would like is YOU to shoot YOUR shot.. LOL I love these are WHAT WOULD YOU DO yet everytime there is a prop bet you guys want a pinch hitter LMFAO So obviously you dont want to shoot the combo yourself so maybe just maybe you should have some common sense and shoot the shot that doesn't leave anything if you miss.. As far as calling my next ball you just won my argument for me THANKS:lol The reason you shoot the 12 ball is because no matter where I land I can get on 5 different balls after making the 8 ball..
Wonderful, we have another prop bet.:D I'll bet that shooting the 13ball combination you will have a following shot more often than you will by starting with the 12ball...........Well???

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For those that want to start with a combo Hey guys here is a basic hint that "PLAYERS" with your "knowledge and skill" should have learned the first day of one pocket class.. The only shot that leaves nothing if you miss and the most if you make it is the 12 to the 8.. You have ball in hand.. any of you prop bettors want to play this scenario out let me know.. This is so common sense its a joke..

Once again Lord please give me a room full of these guys
You're the one that said.."For those who want to start with the combo." I'm just accomodating you by getting you an opponent, or did your statement only apply to "over the hill" players that can't shoot straight?:lol:lol

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I thought you quit smoking crack, how are you going to stop on the 14ball after shooting the 2ball into the 3ball combo?:confused: If you stop your ball and miss you sell out the 8ball. For a good ball striker the 2ball into the 3ball isn't a bad shot and should be considered, like I mentioned, either combination should be an option in this spot because of the problems one will have going from the 12ball to the next ball, especially to the 8ball.:heh

If you take me up on my proposal with me getting Danny Smith to play against you with you starting with the 12ball to the 8ball and he starting with the 13ball combination to the 2ball combination you will be once again on the short bus. After that's over you won't have any money left to not take a bus.

Dr. Bill
LMFAO LMFAO How the hell are you going to sell out the 8 ball if you shoot the 2 3 combo and stop the cue ball LMFAO I hope everyone reads that post of yours.. that will end all the arguments... If YOU dont think you are smoking crack its because you have dementia and forgot you just smoked it... Once again.. I someone shoots the 2 into the 3 and stops thrie cue ball on the 14 ball YOU SELL OUT THE 8 LMFAO:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol
 

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Actually when it comes to older players I do have a lot of respect for them so I never woofed at them out of that respect... HOWEVER.. a few of your line up made the mistake of challenging me.... Monkeys should know what tree to climb:D
Hey, I never challenged you. I was only trying to help by teling you how stupid you are . :D
 

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Wonderful, we have another prop bet.:D I'll bet that shooting the 13ball combination you will have a following shot more often than you will by starting with the 12ball...........Well???



You're the one that said.."For those who want to start with the combo." I'm just accomodating you by getting you an opponent, or did your statement only apply to "over the hill" players that can't shoot straight?:lol:lol

Dr. Bill
From now on you can only reply to the WHAT WHAT DANNY DO threads... LOL Obviously you are not going to shoot your own shots Im saving this thread, this is absolutely priiceless:lol:lol:lol
 
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