Ghost vs. Paul 4

darmoose

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as good as he hit that shot to get behind the two balls. he didnt gain much at all. and if he missed getting perfect it could be disaster.

against a good player giving up a turn at the table to do damage is a disaster.
Ghost said he didn't hit it perfect. He hit it good.

Coming off the 6 ball and getting behind those two balls is prolly a 80-90%'er shot for most on this board.

Getting the position that paul got is prolly a 60-70%'er for most on this board.

Speaking of disasters... how big a disaster is taking a flyer and hitting any of those balls coming out of your corner coming off the 13 ball, or double kissing the 4 ball while banking it, or leaving the CB up table with a free 11 ball and natural shape on all the balls.

I don't think when we are suggesting a shot in a WWYD we are anticipating a return shot from Orcullo or Chohan, although I can't imagine what offensively even they would do from there.

So, WWYD from there?:D
 

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Bill, I'm curious. What shot would you have chosen in Paul's original position in this wwyd?

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You are in a very threatening situation if you leave the cue ball up table, either by choosing one of the two rail options or the 13ball option. There are too many good possibilities for the non shooter after the shooter chooses his option if he chooses to leave the cue ball up table. With this understanding I would try to position the cue ball behind the 15ball, simply by coming off the 6ball and dropping to the side and then bottom rail. This shot is easy to control with both speed and direction and you should end up in a good spot a very high percentage of the time. Chances are you will be able to further your destruction of your opponents position in the ensuing innings.

The 11ball and the 1ball are two huge balls that could cost you the game if you leave the cue ball up table, you need at some point (better sooner than later) to break down his position and somewhat level the playing field. Making him start from behind the 15ball is a good spot to start your plan.


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You are in a very threatening situation if you leave the cue ball up table, either by choosing one of the two rail options or the 13ball option. There are too many good possibilities for the non shooter after choosing his option if he chooses to leave the cue ball up table. With this understanding I would try to position the cue ball behind the 15ball, simply by coming off the 6ball and dropping to the side and then bottom rail. This shot is easy to control with both speed and direction and you should end up in a good spot a very high percentage of the time. Chances are you will be able to further your destruction of your opponents position in the ensuing innings.

The 11ball and the 1ball are two huge balls that could cost you the game if you leave the cue ball up table, you need at some point (better sooner than later) to break down his position and somewhat level the playing field. Making him start from behind the 15ball is a good spot to start your plan.


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If I were to choose an aggressive option it would be Rodney's option with shooting the 12ball and sticking the cue ball right there. It looks like the 12ball will carom off the 1ball and bank toward your pocket while the 5ball sends the 13ball toward your pocket as well sending the 5ball to the bottom rail then to the side rail while leaving the area. WOW!! Yes, it loos like that could very possibly happen with his option. You would have to be at the table to feel the interactions with the balls before pulling that trigger.

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You are in a very threatening situation if you leave the cue ball up table, either by choosing one of the two rail options or the 13ball option. There are too many good possibilities for the non shooter after the shooter chooses his option if he chooses to leave the cue ball up table. With this understanding I would try to position the cue ball behind the 15ball, simply by coming off the 6ball and dropping to the side and then bottom rail. This shot is easy to control with both speed and direction and you should end up in a good spot a very high percentage of the time. Chances are you will be able to further your destruction of your opponents position in the ensuing innings.

The 11ball and the 1ball are two huge balls that could cost you the game if you leave the cue ball up table, you need at some point (better sooner than later) to break down his position and somewhat level the playing field. Making him start from behind the 15ball is a good spot to start your plan.

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Bill,

I appreciate your comments and analysis. Particularly your reasoning for not leaving the CB up table. I get your concern about the 11 ball, but why the 1 ball?

Beatle doesn't agree with you or me.


If I were to choose an aggressive option it would be Rodney's option with shooting the 12ball and sticking the cue ball right there. It looks like the 12ball will carom off the 1ball and bank toward your pocket while the 5ball sends the 13ball toward your pocket as well sending the 5ball to the bottom rail then to the side rail while leaving the area. WOW!! Yes, it loos like that could very possibly happen with his option. You would have to be at the table to feel the interactions with the balls before pulling that trigger.

Dr. Bill
I can see this shot having possibilities because the 5 ball looks like it could even pocket the 13 ball. Unfortunately, the 5 ball really looks like it will carom off the 13 and go left of the 3 ball potentially leaving a shot and perhaps a runout if no ball is pocketed. Don't you agree?

I also want to point out that using a straight edge, the left side of the CB does not pass the right side of the 4 ball and allow a full hit on the 12 ball, so I don't know if this shot is available.
 
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Bill,

I appreciate your comments and analysis. Particularly your reasoning for not leaving the CB up table. I get your concern about the 11 ball, but why the 1 ball?

Beatle doesn't agree with you or me.




I can see this shot having possibilities because the 5 ball looks like it could even pocket the 13 ball. Unfortunately, the 5 ball really looks like it will carom off the 13 and go left of the 3 ball potentially leaving a shot and perhaps a runout if no ball is pocketed. Don't you agree?

I also want to point out that using a straight edge, the left side of the CB does not pass the right side of the 4 ball and allow a full hit on the 12 ball, so I don't know if this shot is available.
First I'll address your question about the 1ball not being a ball to be concerned with. With the cue ball positioned to the top left quadrant of the table it sets up an ideal angle to come across the 2ball opening up the 1ball toward your side while the cue ball drops to the side rail then to the bottom rail safely behind the 3ball and 15ball. As long as the cue ball rest on the bottom rail the 3 and 15 balls should offer ample cover to protect your position setting up a very threatening position for the shooter.

Now about the 5ball with Rodney's option. Providing the shooter can strike the 12ball squarely getting movement with the 5ball should not be a problem particularly if the 5ball cuts the 13ball thinly. If the 5ball hits the 13ball full questioning the type of speed generated to move the 5ball then the option is no good and you will have to look elsewhere.

It's all about feeling the interactions that will take place with the balls, it's up to us when at the table to make those types of decisions but most importantly we have to program ourselves to recognize the possibilities of shots like this one to determine if they are viable options.

Dr. Bill
 
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