Ghost vs. Pat 33 wwyd

gulfportdoc

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I'm without hesitation am playing the billiard on the 11ball. Playing off the 2ball into the 11ball into a big pocket with possible side boards. The 11ball sits in an optimum position making this option very appealing. Dr. Bill
Bill, the 2 & 11 are a smidge too far apart. In order to convert that shot, it would have to be with a powerful draw and right spin. Then you don't know where the CB is going to end up. I like the shot if there were less separation between the 2-11.

~Doc
 

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I would love to hear some input on the potential problems with this option.
It's the one that jumped out at me but no-one else has mentioned it which makes me think you and I are missing something Fast!

brexit

brexit...I am most definitely shooting that carom-cross-corner anytime it's called for/laying well...but in this particular layout, as the balls are viewed in pic #1, the 7ball is laying a little too low and a little too far to the left for it to be laying well enough to shoot the shot.

- Ghost
 

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Thanks for the insight.

brexit...I am most definitely shooting that carom-cross-corner anytime it's called for/laying well...but in this particular layout, as the balls are viewed in pic #1, the 7ball is laying a little too low and a little too far to the left for it to be laying well enough to shoot the shot.

- Ghost
 

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Bill, the 2 & 11 are a smidge too far apart. In order to convert that shot, it would have to be with a powerful draw and right spin. Then you don't know where the CB is going to end up. I like the shot if there were less separation between the 2-11.

~Doc
Doc, you need to go to the table to set the shot up, the billiard is on, and you do not need a super stroke to execute the shot. I had no problem contacting the 11ball to play the billiard.

The cue ball is positioned one ball to the top of the spot and one and a half balls to the left of the spot viewing from the head of the table. The 2ball is positioned one and a half balls to the right of the diamond, and the 11ball is placed a little over one ball width to the left of the lower diamond. You will get good action with this shot, and your make % is high enough to shoot the shot in this situation. The cue ball is manageable to a degree. However, this shot needs to be hit with a medium speed and executed to play to the rail before the 11ball so you get good movement with the cue ball. I hit this shot several times on my table and liked the results I got a high percentage of the time.

Dr. Bill
 
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I am really liking the carom on the 11. looks likes it lies perfect and affords perfect shape to start the run
 

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Doc, you need to go to the table to set the shot up, the billiard is on, and you do not need a super stroke to execute the shot. I had no problem contacting the 11ball to play the billiard.

The cue ball is positioned one ball to the top of the spot and one and a half balls to the left of the spot viewing from the head of the table. The 2ball is positioned one and a half balls to the right of the diamond, and the 11ball is placed a little over one ball width to the left of the lower diamond. You will get good action with this shot, and your make % is high enough to shoot the shot in this situation. The cue ball is manageable to a degree. However, this shot needs to be hit with a medium speed and executed to play to the rail before the 11ball so you get good movement with the cue ball. I hit this shot several times on my table and liked the results I got a high percentage of the time.

Dr. Bill
I didn't see this shot, but I will give it a try to see results. I have been playing a very strong player a bit lately and he has been running 10 and out often. It has definitely sharpened my shot selection, but this is one I don't normally look at with the balls this distance.
Thanks for the suggestion. I will let you know if I have positive results.
 

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The 2/11 carom is a bit too far up for me in this particular case; I'll pass. While my preferred shot has been to bank the 13 and leave the CB against the head rail, here's another option that deals with those four balls by the opponent's side pocket. Playing the 7 off the 3 is definitely not on, but crossing the 10 into the 7 and running the CB into the 3/1 could be a viable option. Of course, it will leave your balls exposed, giving the opponent several options to return the favor. I'm just including it for the sake of completeness.
 

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[QUIOTE=gulfportdoc;235573]Bill, the 2 & 11 are a smidge too far apart. in order to convert that shot, it would have to be with a powerful draw and right spin. Then you don't know where the CB is going to end up. I like the shot if there were less separation between the 2-11.

~Doc
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Doc, you need to go to the table to set the shot up, the billiard is on, and you do not need a super stroke to execute the shot. I had no problem contacting the 11ball to play the billiard.

The cue ball is positioned one ball to the top of the spot and one and a half balls to the left of the spot viewing from the head of the table. The 2ball is positioned one and a half balls to the right of the diamond, and the 11ball is placed a little over one ball width to the left of the lower diamond. You will get good action with this shot, and your make % is high enough to shoot the shot in this situation. The cue ball is manageable to a degree. However, this shot needs to be hit with a medium speed and executed to play to the rail before the 11ball so you get good movement with the cue ball. I hit this shot several times on my table and liked the results I got a high percentage of the time.

Dr. Bill
i took the shot to the table
doc it doesnt need a super stroke
by coming off the 2 and hitting the rail first in front of the 11 makes the stroke quite comfortable
using low right instead of just draw required a softer stroke for me
i got the 11 close every time (i didnt set up the side boards )
i could see with some more practice this being a high % make
thanks
dr. bill
 

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[QUIOTE=gulfportdoc;235573]Bill, the 2 & 11 are a smidge too far apart. in order to convert that shot, it would have to be with a powerful draw and right spin. Then you don't know where the CB is going to end up. I like the shot if there were less separation between the 2-11.

~Doc


i took the shot to the table
doc it doesnt need a super stroke
by coming off the 2 and hitting the rail first in front of the 11 makes the stroke quite comfortable
using low right instead of just draw required a softer stroke for me
i got the 11 close every time (i didnt set up the side boards )
i could see with some more practice this being a high % make
thanks
dr. bill[/QUOTE]

This type of shot comes up all the time in rotation pool. Since BI is a great rotation player, these shots are automatic at his skill level, very controllable cue ball.
 

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I saw the carom too and I was thinking similarly to doc and peter about it being a little too far apart for me but mainly not knowing where my CB was going to end up after the shot if I didn't pocket anything.

I will have to practice this one some to see if I can get a good feel of where the CB goes after the shot.
 

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yes, that carom really is the shot, i love where the cb is going. i totally overlooked it. i still sorta like the curve shot but the big pocket with the billiard is golden.
 

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I'm playing the combination on the 4 ball, and running some balls ,or go home and take up checkers.
 

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Reading one of the Journal posts about the expenses of owning dogs reminded me of something my wife asked me when we first started dating.
She asked why I didn't introduce her to any of my friends, and I said , "I don't have any."
She looked startled and asked," why not".
I said, "I can't afford them"
Guess I'm not getting a dog either.
 

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The 2/11 carom is a bit too far up for me in this particular case; I'll pass. While my preferred shot has been to bank the 13 and leave the CB against the head rail, here's another option that deals with those four balls by the opponent's side pocket. Playing the 7 off the 3 is definitely not on, but crossing the 10 into the 7 and running the CB into the 3/1 could be a viable option. Of course, it will leave your balls exposed, giving the opponent several options to return the favor. I'm just including it for the sake of completeness.
Banking the 10 softly and missing the 3 and rolling into the 1 behind the 3 and the 10/7 would certainly be a good spot to put the cb, but as you said, it leaves the opponent several kick escape options...

Crossing the 13 and going to the long rail first then settling the cb close to the corner pocket up table on the top rail and hiding the 4 ball completely is the only shot I would shoot with the score as it is and the balls laying like they are...

Im hoping my opponent will shoot at the 7 ball, and I don’t care who he is, that’s a tough shot to bet the game on...
 

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I will hit the 10 ball in the face, and use the 7 ball to protect the 4 and 15 and 11.
The shot I like here is to shoot the 10 and freeze to the 7.

There were a lot of good choices here...I finally decided on the lock-up shot that Bill, Kyb, and a coupla others chose...here's how it turned out >>>

P.S. Pat cannot see the 9ball.
 

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There were a lot of good choices here...I finally decided on the lock-up shot that Bill, Kyb, and a coupla others chose...here's how it turned out >>>

P.S. Pat cannot see the 9ball.
You hit it great, Ghostie! Tough position to get out of for the opponent.

~Doc
 

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Good shot Bruce... cept I’m taking that free bank at the 7, shaping the 10... if I miss you will be doubled up having to either deal with the 7, or shoot a not so easy combination... I might make that bank and get a few too...:)
 

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Good shot Bruce... cept I’m taking that free bank at the 7, shaping the 10... if I miss you will be doubled up having to either deal with the 7, or shoot a not so easy combination... I might make that bank and get a few too...:)

In all seriousness everyone, i have had sets change so many times on shots like this. Same thing in nine ball.

The guy has great offensive options, and then lays down a bunt or a saftey. You can just feel energy oozing out of one guy and into the other.

You can lay down as strong a saftey as you want, but if you are not shooting when you have great opportunities the other guy's mojo it is a workin as muddy waters would put it.
 
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