Ghost vs. Clyde 6 wwyd

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Clyde broke and scratched - my shot with ball in hand - Clyde's pocket at upper left - both going to 8 - what's to do? ----->

oops...this wwyd was supposed to be titled Ghost vs. Clyde #7, the last one was #6 :frus
 

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Ghost vs. Clyde 6 wwyd

Great one, ghost. I'm looking forward to learning something here. My initial thought was to 3 rail the 6 and take out the 13, but the 5 is in the way of the 3 rail and I may leave an easy move using the 7, so I'll pass. What I would do is shoot the 14 to the short rail, coming off the bottom of the 7 towards my hole, while laying the cue underneath the 6 with controlling the cue taking big priority.
 

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Great one, ghost. I'm looking forward to learning something here. My initial thought was to 3 rail the 6 and take out the 13, but the 5 is in the way of the 3 rail and I may leave an easy move using the 7, so I'll pass. What I would do is shoot the 14 to the short rail, coming off the bottom of the 7 towards my hole, while laying the cue underneath the 6 with controlling the cue taking big priority.
Yipes, it looks like I posted the same shot that you described.
 

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I think I'd bank the 5 toward the 7 and follow the CB down behind the 6
 

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Im playing the 14 to carom off the face of the 6 and hitting the 13 into the area of the 8 ball. Putting balls into play on my side.
Essentially reversing the break.
 

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I'll cut the fourteen to the right with nine o'clock spinner, aiming for the foot rail below the seven carom, and kill whitey coming off the long rail behind the six.
 

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You have multiple choices here but the first thing to consider are the balls that are a threat to you.

That would be the 14, 6 and the five, in that order.

That would indicate that you shoot the 14 first, but what do you do?

It depends on you skill.

If you can draw the CB back off the 14 to the side rail where he can't see the 7 ball then the shot is to shoot it and remove the 5 ball as well.

If you are more comfortable shooting the 14 into the right side of the 9 ball and parking the CB behind the 6 ball then that is your shot.

Putting the CB behind the 6 ball is only good if you can get a ball near your pocket.

Bill S.
 

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Clyde broke and scratched - my shot with ball in hand - Clyde's pocket at upper left - both going to 8 - what's to do? ----->

oops...this wwyd was supposed to be titled Ghost vs. Clyde #7, the last one was #6 :frus
The Ghost's side of the table is bare, (no open balls) if possible he should look for a shot that will position a ball/balls on his side of the table and protect them. However, it doesn't appear that he has an option that will allow him to do that with out running the risk of losing the cue ball. It's situations like this one where we as the shooter will often try to force something that's not there and lose control of the position. I like Franks shot when he says ..move the 14ball and settle to just drop under the 6ball and go from there. Mitch also wants to move the 14 ball and drop under the 6ball but he wants to move a ball to his side in the process. I'm not saying that Mitch can't do that but what I am saying is that there's a price we have to pay for all options that are chosen and there are times when the reward isn't worth the risk. In this situation if you don't drop under the 6ball you will most likely be facing a much tougher situation to deal with then this one..for sure.

In the above post Stroud states that dropping behind the 6ball is only good if you can position a ball on your side or by your pocket, I disagree. Yes it would be better but like I mentioned above..all options chosen carry a price. The price we have to pay is better described once we are able to forecast the future in the number of times we succeed and fail to succeed. In this situation it's not imperative to position a ball on your side because of the position of the balls, there's no big threat if you don't. IMO.

Dr. Bill
 
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Yipes, it looks like I posted the same shot that you described.
This was the shot I saw except I think it would be just as easy to play the 14 off the top of the 13 which will send it towards my pocket. The focus is to lay down under the six. Pretty devastating.
 

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The Ghost's side of the table is bare, (no open balls) if possible he should look for a shot that will position a ball/balls on his side of the table and protect them. However, it doesn't appear that he has an option that will allow him to do that with out running the risk of losing the cue ball. It's situations like this one where we as the shooter will often try to force something that's not there and lose control of the position. I like Franks shot when he says ..move the 14ball and settle to just drop under the 6ball and go from there. Mitch also wants to move the 14 ball and drop under the 6ball but he wants to move a ball to his side in the process. I'm not saying that Mitch can't do that but what I am saying is that there's a price we have to pay for all options that are chosen and there are times when the reward isn't worth the risk. In this situation if you don't drop under the 6ball you will most likely be facing a much tougher situation to deal with then this one..for sure.

In the above post Stroud states that dropping behind the 6ball is only good if you can position a ball on your side or by your pocket, I disagree. Yes it would be better but like I mentioned above..all options chosen carry a price. The price we have to pay is better described once we are able to forecast the future in the number of times we succeed and fail to succeed. In this situation it's not imperative to position a ball on your side because of the position of the balls, there's no big threat if you don't. IMO.

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Let's look at the situation once the 14ball is moved and the cue ball is under the 6ball. What can the breaker (Clyde) do from there? Now that the 14ball is moved Clyde will have to defend on not giving a return shot with the 1ball. The 1ball then could be banked into the stack and reverse the break.

My point is that in this particular situation once I drop behind the 6ball my opponent will have a problem with preserving his position and if not careful he may be looking at a bad position when he gets back to the table.

Dr. Bill
 

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Ghost vs. Clyde 6 wwyd

In this situation if you don't drop under the 6ball you will most likely be facing a much tougher situation to deal with then this one..for sure.



Dr. Bill


Dr Bill- I agree completely. Thus the emphasis at the end of my post. I want the 14 over towards my hole off that 7, but NOT at the expense of getting that cue under the 6.

with controlling the cue taking big priority.
 

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For those learning on here...I agree with what Billy said, word for word, in posts #10 and #12 - that's precisely how to correctly analyze this situation...

I chose to slice the 14 towards the 7 and drop under the 14, which Mitch, Frank and Billy also recommended (Mitch, did I get that order right :))...

I did look at Rod's shot, and if I had Orcullo, Appleton, or Shane's cueball control maybe I would have shot it - but I don't have that kind of control - on a consistent basis <----- and that word consistent, is the key...

I didn't hit it quite good enough, so I didn't get all the way froze under the 6, as desired...and the reason I didn't get the cueball all the way froze under the 6 was from trying to do a little too much - i.e. cutting the 6 a little too thin, because of trying to get it, or the 7ball, further towards my pocket...it ended up like this ----->

PS, You can see Clyde back there..Clyde loves banks, and banks very good, so he's thinking about banking that tough-angle-5ball straight back, or 3 rails...and that's my penalty for not leaving him under the 6, where he would have had nothing.
 

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For those learning on here...I agree with what Billy said, word for word, in posts #10 and #12 - that's precisely how to correctly analyze this situation...

I chose to slice the 14 towards the 7 and drop under the 14, which Mitch, Frank and Billy also recommended (Mitch, did I get that order right :))...

I did look at Rod's shot, and if I had Orcullo, Appleton, or Shane's cueball control(Or Rods keyboard control) maybe I would have shot it - but I don't have that kind of control - on a consistent basis <----- and that word consistent, is the key...

I didn't hit it quite good enough, so I didn't get all the way froze under the 6, as desired...and the reason I didn't get the cueball all the way froze under the 6 was from trying to do a little too much - i.e. cutting the 6 a little too thin, because of trying to get it, or the 7ball, further towards my pocket...it ended up like this ----->

PS, You can see Clyde back there..Clyde loves banks, and banks very good, so he's thinking about banking that tough-angle-5ball straight back, or 3 rails...and that's my penalty for not leaving him under the 6, where he would have had nothing.
Well if you'd've opened a few on your side he wouldn't be looking to bank.:):p
Rod.
P.S. The bank does look juicy.
 

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Well if you'd've opened a few on your side he wouldn't be looking to bank.:):p
Rod.
P.S. The bank does look juicy.
Rod....if I had your cueball control, and Bill Stroud's ball pocketing/ball running, to go with my Artie-level moving - I'd be unbeatable...:heh

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Rod....if I had your cueball control, and Bill Stroud's ball pocketing/ball running, to go with my Artie-level moving - I'd be unbeatable...:heh

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Yes my CB control is good, when I start trying to make a ball it slips considerably. :) My keyboard control is almost perfect. :p
Rod.
P.S. Bill S does make a lot of'em doesn't he.
 

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I like Rods shot best. The only other shot I saw was to hit the 14 into left side of the 6 drawing the CB towards the third diamond by the 5. The 6 should send the 13 over and the 10 & 12 are tied up blockers.
 
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