I like Frost. Just looking for a small sweat. Bet $20-$200. First come first serve.
I'd like to bet Scott whines about the table some more, throwing his arms up in disbelief even though he's had time to figure out the quirks.
Window is wide open.
If real money was on the light, i'd bet Chip. ( if scott keeps getting in 1P stroke over the next few months he would be the obvious pick )
With a pre agreed upon stream royalties payout which seems like status quo the past few months, NO THANK YOU.
You think there's enough streaming revenue to make much difference in a $40K match? I would be surprised.With a pre agreed upon stream royalties payout which seems like status quo the past few months, NO THANK YOU.
I'd like to bet Scott whines about the table some more, throwing his arms up in disbelief even though he's had time to figure out the quirks.
Window is wide open.
If real money was on the light, i'd bet Chip. ( if scott keeps getting in 1P stroke over the next few months he would be the obvious pick )
With a pre agreed upon stream royalties payout which seems like status quo the past few months, NO THANK YOU.
You said the same thing on AZ, as if Scott hurt you
As far as these streams go, heaven forbid the pool community makes a few bucks.
The NBA, NFL, UFC, MLB and every other major sports league makes money on TV broadcasts. This money is shared with the athletes. Why is it a problem in pool?
There is no unifying body for pool so promoters attempt to bring us quality content on their own initiative. They share the revenue stream with the players. Do you think that because the players get guaranteed money, they are not trying to win their matches?
Being a pool player is beyond hard. Some of the greatest players in the world can't even afford a place to live. You have to finish in the top two or three in a tournament just make a modest profit. If they are asking for a piece of the pie, it's only crumbs anyway.
I would hope that some of you would refrain from implying the worst in people without knowing them, the facts of the match or the people putting up the money or the stream. It's reckless and it's malignant. On one hand you complain that pool is on its ass. When someone comes in to try to put on a quality match, the same guys say it's not a real match because players are making money. Remember your moms advice: If you can't say something nice about someone, Shut the **** up. Rant over.
Amen.
That said, pool gamblers have a long and well documented history of dumping and doing business, and we all know it, which does make it hard to know what to believe even when it is happening right in front of us or on a stream. This history has pretty much poisoned the well, and has deterred most of the main stream sponsors and media companies from any participation in US events. Maybe Matchroom can change the texture of this problem going forward.
Also: the money prizes in pro sports, and the TV advertising and rights revenues, are paid by corporate sponsors, not put up by the players or their backers as a wager. Isn't that a fundamental difference to what happens in these made for TV pool events?
The NBA, NFL, UFC, MLB and every other major sports league makes money on TV broadcasts. This money is shared with the athletes. Why is it a problem in pool?
There is no unifying body for pool so promoters attempt to bring us quality content on their own initiative. They share the revenue stream with the players. Do you think that because the players get guaranteed money, they are not trying to win their matches?
Being a pool player is beyond hard. Some of the greatest players in the world can't even afford a place to live. You have to finish in the top two or three in a tournament just to make a modest profit. If they are asking for a piece of the pie, it's only crumbs anyway.
I would hope that some of you would refrain from implying the worst in people without knowing them, the facts of the match or the people putting up the money or the stream. It's reckless and it's malignant. On one hand you complain that pool is on its ass. When someone comes in to try to put on a quality match, the same guys say it's not a real match because players are making money. Remember your moms advice: If you can't say something nice about someone, Shut the **** up. Rant over.
Amen.
That said, pool gamblers have a long and well documented history of dumping and doing business, and we all know it, which does make it hard to know what to believe even when it is happening right in front of us or on a stream.
The money being mentioned is from the stream. Customers tune in to watch the event, and the promoter shares the revenue with the players. It is not coming from the players or their stake horses. The players can opt to gamble and take a percentage of what is actually paid, or they can take a flat fee from the streamer. The room owner, as sponsor, often also sells seating for the event, which is also put in for the appearance fee. That is their appearance fee, or guaranteed money.
I’ll take Scott for a 100.
No. The 40K is in the middle and being bet by the players/stake horses. What you don't get is that the players are getting a guaranteed appearance fee from the room and the stream. That is their guaranteed money, separate and apart from the gambling. I don't know the amount, but it is enough that the players will allow the match to be streamed. They get their money for playing, regardless of whether they win or lose.I really must not understand the economics of these streams, and I'd be grateful for an education:
1. What does it mean when the poster says "$20,000 entry." Are both sides putting up 20k each? Yes, the backers are putting that up.
2. Are the players putting up any of their own money? If so, how much? Do the players have backers that are putting up money? If so, how much?
Is there actually any gambling going on here? Why do you care if the players are putting money up or not? I don't know if they are, but I am sure they are putting up what they can.
3. Does the outcome of the match determine how much each player gets in the end? The money in the middle, of course. Winner gets it all.
4. Can there possibly be $40,000 in revenues, PPV and sponsorships and seat sales generated by the stream?
OK, Jim, I'll take Chip for $100 so we can sweat. Confirm anytime before the end of the first game. If you confirm here, you don't need me to re-confirm, we're on.