petie
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You usually make sense in your shot selection !..However, in this instance, you are DEAD WRONG !..
Quit pussy footin' around. Say what you mean.
You usually make sense in your shot selection !..However, in this instance, you are DEAD WRONG !..
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...............mmmm..Just echoing similar thoughts..http://www.onepocket.org/forum/showpost.php?p=115471&postcount=10
PS..You misspelled 'bitch'..
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PSS..Tyler, I do not plan on making the bank, shooting it at pocket speed !..(its about 1 in 10/15)...If that's the best shot I'm going to get to win the game, I might as well shoot the 3-railer, and play shape !..(assuming I don't get the kiss, which looks to me, to be almost unavoidable)...I'm simply trying to leave Efren 'awkward', and try to get a BETTER chance at getting a few balls !...Rome was not built in a day, ya know !
There aint no shot here, down 7 zip. Too many balls out of play. I would show patience and allow balls to accumulate. I would try and leave my "soldiers" in place and then keep trying to improve my situation. One way would be to make a seemingly passive shot and kick softly into the six ball cub on the back rail and open them up slightly, possibly affording me a chance to somehow put them in play on my side later. Marcel Camp would call that a pass shot, whereby you just wait for something better to show up.
To me, one of the weakest things you can do in onepocket is to shoot at a dim- chance bank where you cant get either, more, or enough balls to justify the risk. You should instead use your inning to try and accumulate more balls for your side, and leave the bank there to be used possibly at a time when making it would be more beneficial.
Beard
Shit. That advice is worth another $30 book. I'm not jokin'. Even if this were not the best advice for this shot in this game, its damn good advice to add to your quiver when playing one pocket. Its part of the mind set.
Tom, your shot like Fred's shot to me is too passive, sorry. By opening up the two balls on the foot spot you are giving your opponent more options to move balls 'up table' Balls frozen on the foot spot are often difficult to move (which favors Buddy) Buddy's objective is either to get balls down table or position balls that are difficult to move up table, which by banking the 3ball is what he'll be doing. If he banks the 3ball and positions it where Reyes cant see it then Reyes will be forced to play conservatively which may allow Buddy to continue in developing a stronger position. That's the part that I was referring to when I mentioned that "applying pressure" was whats needed from this situation with the score and ball position referenced. I would really be surprised to see Buddy play any other shot than the 3ball bank option.My turn to chime in.
The three rail shot on the three cannot go. The two is in the way even if the double kiss is not there. BTW; This three rail shot is eerily similar to the three rail shot Buddy shot a few threads ago. As you may remember in that case Buddy narrowly missed the kiss but made the ball. He can't do that this time.
If he missed the kiss that time he can probably miss the kiss this time too. In this case there is now another obstacle to getting this ball down table and in play. The loose ball up table must be avoided. This shouldn't be too difficult to do but must be considered. But, isn't the threeball for the most part already in play? And doesn't its position favor Buddy greatly? Why move it unless you plan to make it now?
This brings me to my shot of choice. If I'm going to shoot the three, I am shooting it with speed and with the intention of making the bank and following it up with more. Total aggression here. This is a tough shot and what happens if I miss it? It goes back up table and Buddy has lost the opportunity to get more balls in play as Freddy made clear is necessary in his point. Needing all the balls Buddy should definitely be thinking about getting more balls in play. But as Dr. Bill said, Fred's shot is too passive. That shot doesn't really DO anything but stall.
I like banking the ball on the spot back across to my side of the table and drifting the cue ball as close to the top rail as possible. By doing that I now have five balls in serious play and have presented Efren a difficult task to perform in preventing Buddy from finding a more viable shot than the three ball bank.
Tom
There aint no shot here, down 7 zip. Too many balls out of play. I would show patience and allow balls to accumulate. I would try and leave my "soldiers" in place and then keep trying to improve my situation. One way would be to make a seemingly passive shot and kick softly into the six ball cub on the back rail and open them up slightly, possibly affording me a chance to somehow put them in play on my side later. Marcel Camp would call that a pass shot, whereby you just wait for something better to show up.
To me, one of the weakest things you can do in onepocket is to shoot at a dim- chance bank where you cant get either, more, or enough balls to justify the risk. You should instead use your inning to try and accumulate more balls for your side, and leave the bank there to be used possibly at a time when making it would be more beneficial.
Beard
My turn to chime in.
The three rail shot on the three cannot go. The two is in the way BTW; This three rail shot is eerily similar to the three rail shot Buddy shot a few threads ago. As you may remember in that case Buddy narrowly missed the kiss but made the ball.
If he missed the kiss that time he can probably miss the kiss this time too.
Tom
Shit. That advice is worth another $30 book. I'm not jokin'. Even if this were not the best advice for this shot in this game, its damn good advice to add to your quiver when playing one pocket. Its part of the mind set.
My turn to chime in.
The three rail shot on the three cannot go. The two is in the way even if the double kiss is not there. BTW; This three rail shot is eerily similar to the three rail shot Buddy shot a few threads ago. As you may remember in that case Buddy narrowly missed the kiss but made the ball. He can't do that this time.
If he missed the kiss that time he can probably miss the kiss this time too. In this case there is now another obstacle to getting this ball down table and in play. The loose ball up table must be avoided. This shouldn't be too difficult to do but must be considered. But, isn't the threeball for the most part already in play? And doesn't its position favor Buddy greatly? Why move it unless you plan to make it now?
This brings me to my shot of choice. If I'm going to shoot the three, I am shooting it with speed and with the intention of making the bank and following it up with more. Total aggression here. This is a tough shot and what happens if I miss it? It goes back up table and Buddy has lost the opportunity to get more balls in play as Freddy made clear is necessary in his point. Needing all the balls Buddy should definitely be thinking about getting more balls in play. But as Dr. Bill said, Fred's shot is too passive. That shot doesn't really DO anything but stall.
I like banking the ball on the spot back across to my side of the table and drifting the cue ball as close to the top rail as possible. By doing that I now have five balls in serious play and have presented Efren a difficult task to perform in preventing Buddy from finding a more viable shot than the three ball bank.
Tom
Tom, your shot was one of the first ones I considered. However, that shot violates one of my most stringent principles when I am trying to accumulate balls for when I am way behind (and I modestly believe that I can put more balls in play faster than any human, especially in bank pool), and that principle is to not disturb balls on the spot when trying to accumulate. Why? Because shooting off balls in back pockets and then spotting them up, is one of the best ways to accumulate balls at the foot of the table. Reason? Because looking at it from the other side of the equation, if you are trying to take balls out of play, the hardest balls to take out of play are a row of spotted balls. Think of spotted balls being deeply entrenched in their battle positions.
When I am trying to take balls out of play the first thing I consider, is finding a way to open up the row of spotted balls somehow.
If anyone can challenge this reasoning, I would love to learn something at my advanced age.
Beard
One more thing. ...Answering the talk that my original shot was too passive. One thing I learned in my 50 plus in the underworld was, that it is foolish to try and hit a home run every time up at bat. Many times there is nothing to do but try and stall, buy some time, and maybe things will get better.