The first time I ever saw "Pots and Pans" was in a bar in Saginaw Michigan that is right across from GM Saginaw Steering Gear Plant. It had to be about 1984 or 1985 I think but it could have been earlier. He had his Revere Ware spread over one of the tables and offered to play me for the Revere Ware against my $100.00. The only thing that saved me is that I had just bought a complete set of Calphalon or, most likely, I would have been down for the count. He was a really good bar table 8-Ball player and bought the Revere Ware at a wholesale price so anyone betting money against the pots and pans was giving 2 to 1 odds. He was a genius.