Dennis, Dippie is a lot of things, but not a fool. He gambles high and tries to put himself in favorable situations,at just about any expense, he is a very shrewd man. Alex on the other hand is a very gifted player with a ton of heart, and also has a ton of gamble but I believe that hes in too deep playing Dippie. I think Dippie is in a more favorable position with this spot in terms of managing.Cowboy Dennis said:
Trust me, i'm a doctor. 
Oh, when I first read Dennis' post, I thought he was saying that Alex was playing the fool; meaning that he was acting cocky or silly.wincardona said:Dennis, Dippie is a lot of things, but not a fool. He gambles high and tries to put himself in favorable situations,at just about any expense, he is a very shrewd man. Alex on the other hand is a very gifted player with a ton of heart, and also has a ton of gamble but I believe that hes in too deep playing Dippie. I think Dippie is in a more favorable position with this spot in terms of managing.
Frost is the only player who could give Pete that weight and win. No I don't have anything wagered on the match I wished I did, but I don't.gulfportdoc said:Oh, when I first read Dennis' post, I thought he was saying that Alex was playing the fool; meaning that he was acting cocky or silly.
No, I don't think Pete is a fool. He's obnoxious, boorish, and insufferable, but not stupid. He's parlayed himself into a favorable game, and if Alex sticks with it, he's got the opportunity to empty out.
BTW Billy, is it true that you have a substantial wager betting on Pete?
Doc
By the way Frost cannot beat Dippie at the game which Alex is playing him, Dippie has improved considerably since he played Frost. The only person that knows how much Dippie has imoroved is Dippie. There was a time when Dippie played a solid shortstop speed, but he quit playing years ago, but with practice he should regain a decent speed which I think he has. Alex can probably spot Dippie as much as Frost can, but we know now that this spot is too heavy for Alex to carry and WIN. What is the right game I don't know, but what I do know is that players should be careful with Dippie, he's no fool.
you know steve you threw a pearl in your post that most likely will get buried and for gottenNH Steve said:
)You're not the only one that saw that pearl. I agree that a thread on this subject would be interesting and we would all benefit from all the info that would be brought forth from all the greats on here.lll said:you know steve you threw a pearl in your post that most likely will get buried and for gotten
maybe start a thread at how to approach your run out. like in straight pool there are guidelines.
for the less experienced and lurker newbies to 1p that feel intimidated to post and be wrong (fortunately i dont have that problem
some guidelines on what goes thru the mind of the more experienced players as they size up a layout would be very interesting to me
.id bet im not the only one
wincardona said:
gulfportdoc said:
androd said:
My bad, I thought you were saying that Dippie is a fool because he gives a lot of people that appearance with his act. When he played Frost he was a fool for playing and losing as much as he did, considering that he hadn't played in years. I guess when you feel you have a good game, and you're used to winning you will play the fool and lose your dough. I know i've been there.Cowboy Dennis said:
I'm a doctor. you know that doctors say they PRACTICE MEDICINEwincardona said:My bad, I thought you were saying that Dippie is a fool because he gives a lot of people that appearance with his act. When he played Frost he was a fool for playing and losing as much as he did, considering that he hadn't played in years. I guess when you feel you have a good game, and you're used to winning you will play the fool and lose your dough. I know i've been there.
Billy I.
(just sayin)
Perhaps Pete has improved, I'll take your word for it. He's certainly been in the position to learn a lot by playing top players. But are you suggesting that Pagulayan plays one-pocket as good as does Frost?wincardona said:No I don't have anything wagered on the match I wished I did, but I don't.
gulfportdoc said:
NH Steve said:
I dont no what the score was. But I know a real one pocket player would have banked the three ball and he could have had a chance at 5 more balls. And if he would have gotten a good angle on the bank he might have made six balls because the last ball on the table would have spoted up. And banking the 3 ball he would have had a perfect angle on the ten ball ro get on the eight ball.And the first shot he made on the run if he would have ran into the ball next to the nine ball he wopuld have been all done. And the angle e played on the 7 ball he could have scratched in the side. And two shots he shot he realy didnt no what his next shot was going to be. But his super skill. Showed up strong. And these players are great at exicuiting. And Alex can improve his game by figureing out ahead off time. How he is going to run the balls. And he playes general direction Instead of figuring out the exact angle ahead off time. BUt he as great ability and he as lots off room for improvement. Scott playes better one pocket paterns. And he loves giving up big weight to weaker players. And Scott knowes more one pocket. But that does not mean a player like Alex can not beat him. Because with his talent he can win 3 out of 5 games. And the two best players off today tat I seen runing balls in one pocket are Scott and Eferine. Gab also runs the balls good playing one pocket. And out off the phillopino players. Parica playes the safest game out off all off them. And Cliff is in the same class with these players. And he shoots a lot off aggresive one pocket shots and he banks good too. Guista Montie and Shannon Dalulton love to play offensive one pocket. Even though last time I seen him play he was playing a safer game. And the young player from Texas plays a very strong game a one pocket. And he will be hard too beat. For any player. But I like the style Scott playes giving up big waite. And he knowes when to play safe and when to shoot. And he loves to play the game. And he can play long sessions. But Alex as his hands full. And if the are playing 10 games ahead Just totale up all the balls Alex has too make to win the session. And How many more balls he has to make just on the games they split. And the longer they play the tougher the weight will be. In long sessions the player giving up the big wait will weekon first. Because off all the extra work he is doing. And te extra pressure shots he shoots. And in this game one mistake can codt Alex the game. Were one mistake will not cot Dave the game. And Alex as more pressure on him because off te short amount off balls thee other player needs. And Dave can gamble on shots and if he makes the shots and gets good roles. Nobody can win at this game. And his game can improve. And that would give Alex not much off a chance. And Alex can improve too. But when you are in a game like this it is hard too experement. BUt I guess e won one session So it is not imposable. And if you are a player and you are gitting backed. You have to play because you have a shot at some good money. And I dont think s man like Dave can quite a game like this. He knowes what he has. And thier is no telling how many sessions he would loose before he pulls up. And it looks like to me he loves action. And he is in a pool frame off mind. And he is enjoying himself and thier is nothing better in our lives. THen enjoying the game and life. And Alex must think he can win because he did win a session pretty easy. And I realy dont no how Dave realy playes. So its hard for me to predict what will happen. And Dave is in seventh heaven. He is playing the game he loves one pocket. And if he doesnt win. He still got his moneys worth.One Pocket Ghost said:
gulfportdoc said:
NH Steve said:
I am going too explain Mistake Free one pocket now this is the perfect time to brong it up. Because people might never get another chance to her how it is played. And I have never in life seen anyone play it. But playing mistake free one Pocket is the highest levele you can play the game. And if a player can play thaT WAY HE CAN WIN AT ANY GAME NOMATER WHO he playes or what the spot is and he can even have way the worst off the game he can still win. Because if he playes that way and he playes the whole game without a mistake. And knowes what he is doing the person he is playing should not make one ball.And his opponent will be on deffensr every shot and he will not have no give ups shots too shoot at. And he knowes on every shot wat he is doing and what his opponent will do and have to shoot. But nobody in life ever played that way or understood what I am saying. But that is real onepocket. And that is a goal that people should have to play at the higest level you can play. ANd every shot is figured out and calculated ahead off time. And even before he makes his first ball he figures out the whole pattern and the angles off every shot that he has to have to play position. And playing the correct sots and the correct angles is a big part off playing mistake free one pocket. And if thier are no more balls to run. You have to figure out ahead off time what shot you will shoot to keep your opponent on Defense and he has to play safe and you keep him locked up the whole game were hr cant do anything. Playing this way is very hard and puts a lot off strain on your mind because off all the thinking you will have to do. Iys not just getting up thier and shooting. You no exacly on every shot what you are doing. Thier is no guessing or axcedents. And you might think the only way a player can do that is to run out. Will it will take a long time to learn to play this way. And like I said if a player can learn to play that way then he will be the best player in the world because nobody can win against a player who can do that. But I have never seen any one come close to playing that way. And I can prove that your opponent will not make a ball. If you can play that way. Even the greatest players wont be able too make one ball. Because the will never have a shot or bank or even a kick shot to sjoot at. And if you never have a shot how is he going to make a ball. And if Alex could play that way he would win . And he would not even have to play every game mistake free one pocket. He could make mistakes and still win. But he would have to no how too play that way. And play close to playing every game without a mistake and that is imposable. Unless you know how too do that. And what happines in his game know he gives his opponent shots and chances to win. And tat is what he has to change. And he will be able too win. Nobody knowes what I am talking about and nobody has ever seen anyone play that way. But it is the highest level off one pocket thier is and you play te whole game without a mistake. I have only played twice that way. And I only played it playing 5 ahead. Because it takes 100% concentration. And if you play that way. Nobody will want to play you. And you have to be in tip stroke. So you can excicute and put the cue ball were you want it too be. Putting the cue ball and the object balls were you want them to be is a must. And why your opponent will not be able to make a ball. Is because you control the whole game from the first shot too the last shot. And you play the whole game without a mistake. or giving your opponent a shot. And nobody can win playing a player who can do that. I brought this up because I thought this was the perfect time. And I would show what one pocket is realy all about. PLaying the whole game mistake free. Your opponent will not make a ball. And thats te style you have too play to win at a game like Alex is playing. And if he could do that he would win. But if he just playes his style and plays goog and cuts down on his mistakes he could probable still win. Because of the sessions he has played already. And he does have a chance too wiin. And what they are doing is what one pocket is about. Thier is lots off excitment and a very interesting match. And booth players are playing hard too win. BUt if Alex new how too play mistake free one pocket. He would be the favorite because off the way he would be playong the game. And his great ability. And that would be almost impossable too beat. Unless he made a bunch off mistakes. I have played games mistake free But I have never played a whole session that way. And its the greatest feeling in the world. And the whole game is you. You are playing against the game not your opponent. And it does not matter who your opponent is because you are playing against the game. And when I play now I cannot play that way any moore because I make too meny mistakes and miss too meny easy shots. And I have no more cue ball control. And if you dont have control off the cue ball then you will not be able too play this way. But you can allways try and learn. This was a good time too bring this up too show people how the game can be beat. And I have spent a life time figuring out how to win at certain games. And you cannot win buy just playing and guessing. And having lots off heart is great. But that does not make you win. It helps giving you courage and it takes fear out off the picture. But I dont no if that is a good thing in gambling. Too much heart can make a bad game for yourself. And you need the odds and percentages too win. And luck is only good for a short piriod and then it will go agaionst you. And nobody can controll luck. But this was a good time to bring up mistake free one pocket at its highest level. And how rhe game can be beat. I hope that some people will be able too see what I am saying. I know players like Varner Grady Freddy Gab Owens and Scott can go into the game deep enough to understand this. And knoweing one pocket already will make this easier for you. Because you will understand what I am saying. This is what one pocket is. And should be. I hope Steve likes it. And it works.wincardona said:
Billy, that was a good assessment of Frost/Alex and also Frost/Alex/Pete. You've been in action with Pete, and have personally played Frost many times.wincardona said:
I certainly agree with you about Alex running balls -- he's one of the very best in the world. I was just making an observation about the position of the 15, how it seemed to me it was in that ideal key ball position for maximizing his run -- I expected him to take advantage of it at some point, but he did not. Even at the end of his run when he shot his 10th ball -- could he not have hit the same shot the same way, but firmer, and ended up above the 15?wincardona said:
When Alex shot his 10th. ball he had a natural angle going to the 3 ball bank. If he would of opted to play for the 15 ball the shot then becomes more difficult, and position is more difficult. Not only that, but he has to be thinking about protecting his advantage in the score of the game by eliminating balls from Dippy's side of the table, which should influence him to play more conservatively and play for the 3 ball bank.NH Steve said: