corteza/joyner 2013 dcc

[lll]

games tied 1 a piece
cliff up 6-0 in balls this game
cortezas shot
his pocket lower right as you view the screen

 

[Island Drive]

Kick the two ball with a little 9 o'clock roller.

 

[backplaying]

Kick the two ball with a little 9 o'clock roller.

That's what I see from here also.

 

[bstroud]

I can't see exactly if the shot is on but the bank on the 11 ball and the billiard on the 6 ball with high right could work.

With the score as it is you need to do something aggressive to get in the game.

Bill S.

 

[Island Drive]

You could pinch draw off 11 and play the six ball, seems as tho the overcut on the 11 would set this situation up nicely to at least lay the six on the bottom rail, plus your movin' balls up table.

 

[tylerdurden]

I can't see exactly if the shot is on but the bank on the 11 ball and the billiard on the 6 ball with high right could work.

With the score as it is you need to do something aggressive to get in the game.

Bill S.

This is what I saw too. Billiard the 6 on its right side as the cb travels to it. I would hit this bank with maybe a little low, center ball myself. I would play for the 6 next.

Good chance to get out here, gotta take it.

 

[wgcp]

I agree with mr stroud... the cue coming off the six could give you the eight... it is time to shoot...

 

[petie]

Kick with pace to hit the five ball full in the face. The six might go, you should be too low to leave him the two, and a little high english should stop the cue ball from rolling after impact.

 

[gulfportdoc]

I agree with the guys wanting to shoot here. Six-oh, it's time to go...

The 11-ball bank is good, because the CB should carom into the 6, and present a good run opportunity. Although if he missed the 11, Cliff would probably have a bank, and a good chance to close it out.

The 8-ball might be on as well. It's a safer shot-- hit with center ball the CB would roll up to the 5-ball. If the 8 went, then he could bank the deuce, and on from there.

Doc

 

[sidepocketkid]

slam 6 two rails into the 2, leave cb on bottom rail.

 

[Tom Wirth]

IMO I see the two ball as the correct shot to shoot here for a variety of reasons. First the two ball kick can easily be controlled and measured accurately. Second this shot has safety as well as move written all over it. Third, should the two happen to fall the cue ball will be in an ideal position to run several balls if not run out and win the game.

The idea of banking the eleven and caroming the six has merit but I am doubtful enough of the eleven can be struck without its striking the five ball. Unless this shot is set up perfectly I see this as a complicated shot which may need considerable tweeking. The risk factor is high as well regardless of the 6 to 0 score.

In addition, should this shot be somewhat "on" there is no guaranty of a second shot due to the fact that after the carom the cue ball will in all likelihood rest on the bottom rail and near Cliff's pocket. The only ball which is a potential second shot is either the six or the eleven depending which falls. For the reasons I stated earlier the two is my choice here, without a doubt.

Tom

 

[jtompilot]

IMO I see the two ball as the correct shot to shoot here for a variety of reasons. First the two ball kick can easily be controlled and measured accurately. Second this shot has safety as well as move written all over it. Third, should the two happen to fall the cue ball will be in an ideal position to run several balls if not run out and win the game.

The idea of banking the eleven and caroming the six has merit but I am doubtful enough of the eleven can be struck without its striking the five ball. Unless this shot is set up perfectly I see this as a complicated shot which may need considerable tweeking. The risk factor is high as well regardless of the 6 to 0 score.

In addition, should this shot be somewhat "on" there is no guaranty of a second shot due to the fact that after the carom the cue ball will in all likelihood rest on the bottom rail and near Cliff's pocket. The only ball which is a potential second shot is either the six or the eleven depending which falls. For the reasons I stated earlier the two is my choice here, without a doubt.

Tom

That's what I say too

 

[onepockethacker]

Bank the 13 ball into the 5, 11, 6, 8 area with speed. Draw cueball uptable on your side. A whole lot of balls are going to your side and hole and something might fall. That 2 ball will not be looking so juicy after the balls are moved toward your pocket. Your down 6 to 0. If he wants to shoot that 2 ball have at it. Any other shot here and your opponent is going to be moving the balls uptable

 

[Frank Almanza]

I like the kick on the two ball. With the two ball that close to the rail the hit on it is very predictable. That will leave you in position to get all you need.
To play the bank on the eleven and carom to the six with the cue ball will need forward roll on the cue ball, this may create a traffic jam in that area.
Playing just the carom on the six with draw you will need to cut the eleven with very little chance for position on another ball.
Shooting the six to the two and clearing them out is not a good option. Being down 6 to zero you need these balls in play and not up table.

 

[sidepocketkid]

also cb off 6 with a little draw into the 8, move 8 to your pocket.

 

[jtompilot]

Bank the 13 ball into the 5, 11, 6, 8 area with speed. Draw cueball uptable on your side. A whole lot of balls are going to your side and hole and something might fall. That 2 ball will not be looking so juicy after the balls are moved toward your pocket. Your down 6 to 0. If he wants to shoot that 2 ball have at it. Any other shot here and your opponent is going to be moving the balls uptable

Looks pretty tough to control whitey with that cut and speed.

 

[wincardona]

Maybe I'm getting too old to see any more but I dont think the 11ball goes. The kick on the 2ball looks to be a good option. If I were to kick the 2ball I would kick it to thr bottom rail then to the side rail using the 8ball as a blocker. Another shot would be to take an intentional and kick to the ball on top of the 8ball. This option will pteclude any up table game to be played and the next time at the table you figure to improve your position.

Dr. Bill

 

[SJDinPHX]

Count me in the "kick the duece camp" and I'm in pretty good company too... I can see no reason to hand Cliff the game, on a wild 'hit and hope' shot, even if I were down 6, or 7 zip...Like Dr. Bill pointed out, if you kick the duece, bottom rail, about where the chalk is, and up toward the side rail, hidden behind the 8..(a very simply executed shot)...You are at least giving yourself a better chance at re-arrainging the furniture on your next shot, as you are sure to have one !

Cliff will probably come off the 8 thin, to the bottom rail, trying to force you to knock 'em up table...You could wind up with some very good options, your next at bat...I ain't shootin' no desperation shot yet !... You still have a good chance to get back in this game, with a little patience...You may have to take a scratch to get there, but freeze near near the middle of the end rail, he ain't gonna be shooting at the one ball..The balls favor you, big time...

 

[lll]

is this the 2 ball kick you guys a re looking at??

 

[onepockethacker]

is this the 2 ball kick you guys a re looking at??
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If I was going to kick the 2 ball I would kick off the end rail banking the 2 ball into the stack and than having the cueball billiard the 1 ball uptable.