Ronnie Allen Has Passed Away

Fast Lenny

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Rest in peace Ronnie Allen. You were one of the best one pocket players to ever live and have forever changed the game which is what we see today, a powerful game of guys running 8 and out. I am saddened I did not get to do that video interview with you and donate a few bucks playing some one hole.

As some of you know I am living in Vegas now and RA was on my short list of guys to video and get some of his stories saved for others to enjoy. I would like to do this with Artie, Ed Kelly, Archie and other guys who are in Vegas if they would be interested. Perhaps some of them do not see the importance of it but future generations of players would certainly enjoy them.

If any of you guys want to put a few dollars together with me I will personally get the money to his family when I go to Vegas in a few days, not sure of their financial situation but I am happy to help. Maybe one of you guys know who to give the money to whether its his children or wife.

If you want to hear lots of stories, here is my Youtube playlist of RA stories, they are interesting to say the least. http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL85BC9EE7D8DFDC9A
 

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One of a kind loss.

One of a kind loss.

If you played in Los Angeles from '79 for me, and earlier for others onward, you knew the name Ronnie Allen. He was the guy who would come to a tournament, not enter instead he would rent 3 adjacent tables and have three money games going simultaneously. Not only one of the best players ever he was a stone hustler so if you liked your money you stayed away from him. Rest in peace Mr. Allen.
 

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A classic hustler is gone

A classic hustler is gone

I was around Ronnie a lot in the sixties and, a few timnes made the mistake of matching up with him. His OP game was magical...as was his banter. In many cases I watched him take control of his game, his opponent's game, both stake horses and the audience. He was a powerhouse. He stuck me in the stack so much my fingertips got raw. Man, what a loss for our world.
Rest in peace, Ronnie
Keep the memory. Alfie
 

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Keith is absolutely heartbroken about Ronnie's passing. We got the news yesterday morning, 2 hours before Keith had to go in for major dental surgery.

I want Keith to share his own thoughts and write a tribute on this thread about his good friend Ronnie Allen, or "R.A." as Keith called him, but he's just too sick right now himself. He's in terrible pain, physically and emotionally. :(

Ronnie Allen's legacy will live on for generations to come. Look at how many people recognize his contributions to one-pocket. He's always been one of my favorite players because of his gift of gab. It's like pool music to my ears listening to Ronnie.

One of the few video clips of Johnston City features Mosconi Fats speaking, who's another of pool's most colorful characters, but it also features Ronnie Allen when he was on top of the pool world.

The commentator says this about Ronnie: When "Fast Eddie" Ronnie Allen steps into the red-carpeted pit for a game of 9-ball, the Texas carnival owner will give you a $200 bet faster than Fast Eddie can chalk his cue, and the hustler will shoot as long as the action lasts. More money changes hands in the stands in one hour than a cashier at the Bank of Johnston City sees in a week. :D

See a young Ronnie Allen in 1972 at Counter 01:22: Johnston City Pool Hustling.
 

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My friend remembers when Ronnie was learning to play one pocket. He was "as good a nine ball player as anyone", but we see how smart he was turning his game to one pocket to lay low and get the money. Ronnie was in Beenie's pool room as a young man several times. He said that NO ONE played the game like him. "He knew the shot before he came to the table". Watch how many people today study their ass off. His name is known from east to west, south to north.

God Bless,
 

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I'm saddened to hear Ronnie has passed away. He was the house pro at Orange County Sports Arena circa 1983-85, and that is when I met him. He was fun to be around and was always trying to create match-ups. I had heard about him before that time but didn't really understand the extent of what a great one pocket player he was. I did hang out with him at Churchill Downs OTB during DCC about 7-8 years ago and also at the race book in Las Vegas a few times at the Plaza. The last time I saw him was at the Rum Runner tournament maybe 4-5 years ago. He always had an MGD nearby. I talked to him about doing a one pocket seminar at Hard Times in Bellflower like the one I organized with Grady. In typical RA fashion, he scoffed at the idea, even though it would have been an easy $700.00 or so for a few hours of his time.

Martin
 

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Sweet

Sweet

That is one word that RA could ''say'' with more effect than any other living human being. When Ronnie said or talked about something that was ''sweet'' you could almost taste it and you were probably in for a treat, or so you thought.
 

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The best thing i could say about ronnie

The best thing i could say about ronnie

OCT. 1960s...JOHNSTON CITY I'LL.
EXCERPTED FROM MY BOOK...THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD.

"At the tournament that year, there was alot of excitement about a flashy young kid from california who had come with "Tuscaloosa Squirrel". Ronnie Allen was his name and One Pocket was his game. He wanted to match up with anyone and play as high as they wanted. His aggressive style of play, his uncanny knowledge of the game of One Pocket, and his precision control in tight spots around the stack made him a threat to run out anytime he got to the table. Ronnie had a charismatic way of controlling his game, his opponent's game, his backer, his opponent's backer, and the audience. He looked good, talked fast and in people's faces and backed it up with his awesome play. I WANTED TO BE HIM."
RIP Master Allen

Keep it sincere. Alfie
 

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I just created Ronnie's Wiki article, but it's only a placemark at this juncture. It's going to take a lot of time and research to document every single word, so that it is approved by the Wikipedia admin. They have strict rules as to what you can and cannot insert in a Wiki article.

Ronnie's Wiki article is entitied "Ronnie 'Fast Eddie' Allen," as there are other Ronnie Allens on Wikipedia, which they call "disambiguation"; thus, the reason for inserting "Fast Eddie" in between "Ronnie" and "Allen."

Please help me by donating a personal photo of Ronnie to this article which will be public. I know how precious these pool photos are to each person who owns them, but this is for Ronnie's Wiki article. I need somebody who owns a photograph, has rights to the photograph, is willing to let it be public, to insert a photograph in the article. I can PM you the code and let you know how to do it. WE NEED A PHOTO IN THIS ARTICLE, please. :p

This morning, I'm stuck with a job I must finish, and then I will make it my mission this weekend to beef up Ronnie Allen's Wiki article.

Here's the bare bones, as of the time of this writing: Ronnie "Fast Eddie" Allen's Wikipedia Article. :cool:

If you have any Ronnie Allen content that can be referenced by websites or print media, please share on this thread, so I can add it to the article this weekend. In my lifetime, Ronnie Allen was always known to me at least as a one-pocket phenom. Even way back when I was a young'n hanging out in my neighborhood pool room, I had heard of this pool player named Ronnie Allen. I want to pay tribute to him, and I hope the readers of this forum will help me by providing me some data to add.

Thank you to Steve Booth for acknowledging Ronnie Allen on this forum. The information documented on this website is rich and is instrumental in showcasing the game of one pocket in all its glory. I only wish I could have created this article while Ronnie was alive, but nothing can stop me from following through now.;)
 

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I know Ronnie used to recall that Cochran's tournament as 1961, but I have seen some original reports from it and it was definitely in early 1962. Tugboat Whaley came to the Jansco's first tournament in the fall of 1961, and he was scouting the idea of running the San Francisco tournament (that is mentioned in Tom Fox's original 1961 SI story).

The April 1985 issue of Billiard Digest has a nice long feature on Ronnie. I am wiling to contribute a photo of mine if you send me the info.
 

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JAM
you effort to allow future generations to know about ronnie via wikipedia is really commendable
kudos to you
fyi
when you click the link on reference 4 "still behind the 8 ball"
you get reference 6 "coolest hand with a cuestick"
 

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you effort to allow future generations to know about ronnie via wikipedia is really commendable
kudos to you
fyi
when you click the link on reference 4 "still behind the 8 ball"
you get reference 6 "coolest hand with a cuestick"

Thanks for the kind words! :)

And thank you for pointing out that error. I fixed it, thanks to you. Much appreciated! :cool:
 

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I know Ronnie used to recall that Cochran's tournament as 1961, but I have seen some original reports from it and it was definitely in early 1962. Tugboat Whaley came to the Jansco's first tournament in the fall of 1961, and he was scouting the idea of running the San Francisco tournament (that is mentioned in Tom Fox's original 1961 SI story).

The April 1985 issue of Billiard Digest has a nice long feature on Ronnie. I am wiling to contribute a photo of mine if you send me the info.

PM sent, Steve.

I may have that 1985 issue of Billiard Digest. I also think the National Billiard News did a 3-page spread on Ronnie, which I know I have.

Thanks again for all that you do for one pocket! :)
 

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I am so very sorry to hear of Ronnie's passing. My heartfelt condolences to his family, close friends, and all who loved and admired him. May he eternally rest in peace.


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I just created Ronnie's Wiki article, but it's only a placemark at this juncture. It's going to take a lot of time and research to document every single word, so that it is approved by the Wikipedia admin. They have strict rules as to what you can and cannot insert in a Wiki article.

Ronnie's Wiki article is entitied "Ronnie 'Fast Eddie' Allen," as there are other Ronnie Allens on Wikipedia, which they call "disambiguation"; thus, the reason for inserting "Fast Eddie" in between "Ronnie" and "Allen."

Please help me by donating a personal photo of Ronnie to this article which will be public. I know how precious these pool photos are to each person who owns them, but this is for Ronnie's Wiki article. I need somebody who owns a photograph, has rights to the photograph, is willing to let it be public, to insert a photograph in the article. I can PM you the code and let you know how to do it. WE NEED A PHOTO IN THIS ARTICLE, please. :p

This morning, I'm stuck with a job I must finish, and then I will make it my mission this weekend to beef up Ronnie Allen's Wiki article.

Here's the bare bones, as of the time of this writing: Ronnie "Fast Eddie" Allen's Wikipedia Article. :cool:

If you have any Ronnie Allen content that can be referenced by websites or print media, please share on this thread, so I can add it to the article this weekend. In my lifetime, Ronnie Allen was always known to me at least as a one-pocket phenom. Even way back when I was a young'n hanging out in my neighborhood pool room, I had heard of this pool player named Ronnie Allen. I want to pay tribute to him, and I hope the readers of this forum will help me by providing me some data to add.

Thank you to Steve Booth for acknowledging Ronnie Allen on this forum. The information documented on this website is rich and is instrumental in showcasing the game of one pocket in all its glory. I only wish I could have created this article while Ronnie was alive, but nothing can stop me from following through now.;)

Excellent work on the Wiki page, Jennie !
 

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I don't see it mentioned but in the late 90's Tom Shaw? in Pool and Billiards did a series of articles called Legends of the Road and these one on Ronnie. Thank you.
 

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I don't see it mentioned but in the late 90's Tom Shaw? in Pool and Billiards did a series of articles called Legends of the Road and these one on Ronnie. Thank you.

Oh, man, that would be so cool to find. I have some P&B mags. I will pore through them and see if I can locate it. That would be, I'm sure, a gold mine, chockful of Ronnie data for the article. Thanks for mentioning it.

I am going to be working on it today. I'm taking the day off from work today and will beef up Ronnie's article.

I used to really enjoy creating these Wiki articles for the "American Pool Player" category. I've created a couple dozen American pool player articles to date. I was very active doing this a few years ago. At the time, they only had a couple dozen American Pool Player articles on Wikipedia. Now we have 70 American Pool Player articles. The one I did on Cisero Murphy made the front page of Wikipedia, which is quite an honor in the Wiki World, on its third day of being published.

Several of them, i.e., Wade Crane, I only wish I could have done it while they were still alive, so the players themselves could enjoy it reading it.

I'm a junior Wiki editor. The biggest problem I have with Wikipedia is their punctuation of double quotes. Many editors follow the British style, and I like the American style. The British editors edit the American punctuation in articles to their liking, and the Americans edit the British punctuation to the American punctuation style. Meanwhile, nobody else probably even notices the punctuation like we Wiki editors do. :D

Here's the link: Ronnie "Fast Eddie" Allen Wikipedia Article.
 

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Excellent work on the Wiki page, Jennie !

Thank you so much, Clare.

You know, now that I'm on a mission, I think I'm going to get one up there ASAP for our friend Jimmy Reid. He's another character who belongs on the American Pool Hall of Fame, and I would like for him to see it after it's finished, so he can enjoy it. :)
 

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OMG, I found another article about Ronnie Allen entitled "The Man You Love to Hate: RONNIE ALLEN." :D

It's written by Bill Pierce, on page 6 of the National Tavern News, February 1984.

This little diddy will put a smile on your face, remembering Ronnie:

It was eight o'clock in the morning, and the casinos were practically empty. There was no yelling going on at the crap tables. The sound of the slot machine handles being pulled and the screams of delight had disappeared. It was the morning after the finals of the big tournament, an annual affair, and the world's greatest pool players are starting to home to real life after enjoying a week in the fantasy land of Las Vegas.

The bellboys are hurriedly bringing the luggage and gear to the awaiting cars parked in front of the hotel. The checkout counter has a long line of people, most of them with a cue stick case in their hands, waiting to be checked out.

It's been an exciting week, and win or lose, it was still a nice vacation.

Ronnie Allen and his wife Faye have just loaded their luggage, and Ronnie is counting his money. He says, "Faye, I have $700 left, and that's not enough to even get us through the month." Faye, realizing what's coming next, says, "Yes, but it will pay the rent." Ronnie says, "I am a gambler. I'm in a gambling casino, and I'll be damned if I'm going home with a lousy $700."

He walks over to the roulette table, of all things, and asks for some $5 chips and starts spreading them over the numbers. After a few turns of the wheel, he's a few hundred winner, when the croupier starts needling him, "You're Ronnie Allen the high roller, aren't you? Things must be tough for you , playing for such small stakes."

Now Ronnie thinks this guy is a real wise ass and is about to tell him so, but he is right, thinking, "I'll be here all day at this rate." So Ronnie measures his stack and spreads about half of it over the table. He hits! Time to double up. He hits again, cashes his chips in for over $10,000, turns to Faye and says, "Now we can go home and pay the rent -- and the nut."

I love this portion of the article:

Ronnie and a friend from Bakersfield, California, had arrived the early part of the week, confident that they were going to break the bank. Faye had flown in for the finals, but the big gambling had started shortly after the boys arrived.

They had tested their luck at the various games with moderate success, when they decided to try baccarat. Things were giong their way pretty good, but when their luck began to turn gold, they decide to sit it out for a while.

They were $55,000 winner and feeling pretty good. So when they came over to the bar, where Richie Flornece and I were sitting, Ronnie bought everybody a drink. When Ronnie is in a happy mood, especially at a bar, he is immediately surrounded by friends and admirers, so it was like a party withim minutes.

But that could not possibly last very long when Ronnie is flush. This time, it's the crap tables. When Ronnie and George moved to the crap tables, so did his entourage of bosoters. The pied piper was jovila, lucky, and had his fans with him, no way he coudl lose now. His hot streak only lasted about 30 minutes this time, but it was long enough to add another $30,000 to their growing bank roll.

The starts of this show and their admiring fans returned to the bar, and another party is going on, the liquor is flowing freely. When Ronnie parties, everybody parties.

Here's some data about Ronnie Allen from the article, which I will add to Wiki:

You can't help but wonder what makes a person like Ronnie Allen tick. I don't mean that derogatorily, because I admire anyone who is doing what they want to do, as long as it doesn't hurt someone else.

I'm sure a lot of you, as well as myself, have had to work at jobs that we detested, and life is too short for that. Even if you don't agree with his way of life, you have to give him credit, because he has the nerve to buck society and do what he wants to do. Wise men tell us that we are a product of our environment and association. Ronnie's early environment and association was unusual, to say the least, and undoubtedly had an influence on his philosophy of life.

Ronnie was born in Danville, Illinois, but was only there one week, as the family had to move on. His father was part owner of a carnival, and the entire family worked in the carnival, which usually moved every week.

When Ronnie was 11 years old, his father was killed, leaving his mother with the chore of raising Ronnie and his brother and sister. His mother bought a restaurant in Oklahoma City at the corner of 40th and May Avenue.

Up to this time, Ronnie has never stayed in any one school for over a week at a time. He really liked this new way of living, a home in one place, steady friends and one school all year. All the kids helped run the restuarnat, and they got along pretty well.

An old friend of Ronnie's father owned a pool room that Ronnie had to pass every day on his way to and from the restaurant, and by the time he was 14 years old, he was playing a pretty good game of pool. One day, two slickers walked into the pool room and began partying. They were buying drinks and exposing a big bank roll. Ronnie and his best buddy, Danny, had sized them up to be pimps.

Ronnie and Danny enticed them into a session of 9-ball. It turned out that the pimps were bookies, and their ability to make money did not match the boys' ability on a pool table. The final results were they would be hustlers, biggest score in their young lives, $480 to be exact. They were now big-time hustlers.

Does anybody know why Ronnie's father was killed?
 
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